Insulin...worth it? WHY?
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Not a lot of slin users here.
This depends on your goals. If not competing then why bother. Yes it works and works well but does not discriminate so it will pack fat on you just as fast as muscle. And insulin is used to shuttle nutrients so you basically want as much protien, bcaa's, glutamine and creatine are good to but you better be sure about timing of carbs and stay away from fats during the active window.
This depends on your goals. If not competing then why bother. Yes it works and works well but does not discriminate so it will pack fat on you just as fast as muscle. And insulin is used to shuttle nutrients so you basically want as much protien, bcaa's, glutamine and creatine are good to but you better be sure about timing of carbs and stay away from fats during the active window.
i have ran a number of slin cycles. like posted, Avoid fats after you shoot, make sure you get the proper amount of carbs (10 g/iu right away and again an hour later) my first cycle I started at 4 iu and worked up to 12. 12 iu seems to be my magic number, anymore i have a hard time getting the carbs in. Carbs are timely when using slin and yes you can fat real quick.
KobesBryant
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I am using my first AAS cycle now, but started using slin before I started AAS because I liked the fact that there were very few side effects besides death. lol. If you are very disciplined, you shouldn't die..... but who knows, things can happen.
I also like slin because its incredibly cheap. I've been using the same $30 vial for 3 months on and off and its only half through. It has definitely helped my gains, even when I wasn't using AAS. It will give some water bloat that will give you initial weight gain too, more than creatine. Some people like this. Some don't. I only take 8IU, and I eat almost no fat for 2 hours before and 4 hours after injection. Doing this, I have had no problem staying lean on slin. I do hear of many people gaining fat quickly though on it.
The biggest key is to do some SERIOUS research. I am talking months of reading every day. You can die, it happens, I have heard of many cases of this and other close calls. Also getting a blood glucose monitor is ESSENTIAL. No matter what you do, know that you are taking a risk. No matter how well you prepare, there is always a chance of something going wrong. You could get in a car accident and noone knows you are on slin and you die from hypoglycemia... Or you inject and then your friends want you to go drink, you stupidly do, and don't notice you are going hypoglycemic as you drink (drinking also lowers glucose levels like insulin, and the feeling of being drunk can easily mask hypoglycemic symptoms). Another thing that can happen is if you forget to asperate, you could inject into a vein and it could hit you all at once. If that happened I suspect it may be EXTREMELY difficult to get enough carbs to counter the effects.
Good luck!
I also like slin because its incredibly cheap. I've been using the same $30 vial for 3 months on and off and its only half through. It has definitely helped my gains, even when I wasn't using AAS. It will give some water bloat that will give you initial weight gain too, more than creatine. Some people like this. Some don't. I only take 8IU, and I eat almost no fat for 2 hours before and 4 hours after injection. Doing this, I have had no problem staying lean on slin. I do hear of many people gaining fat quickly though on it.
The biggest key is to do some SERIOUS research. I am talking months of reading every day. You can die, it happens, I have heard of many cases of this and other close calls. Also getting a blood glucose monitor is ESSENTIAL. No matter what you do, know that you are taking a risk. No matter how well you prepare, there is always a chance of something going wrong. You could get in a car accident and noone knows you are on slin and you die from hypoglycemia... Or you inject and then your friends want you to go drink, you stupidly do, and don't notice you are going hypoglycemic as you drink (drinking also lowers glucose levels like insulin, and the feeling of being drunk can easily mask hypoglycemic symptoms). Another thing that can happen is if you forget to asperate, you could inject into a vein and it could hit you all at once. If that happened I suspect it may be EXTREMELY difficult to get enough carbs to counter the effects.
Good luck!
JimiThing
Moderator
What scares me is people using slin that dont know how to properly dose it. Thats where the real danger comes in . If you arent careful you can measure it incorrectly and the consequences are dire. It cannot be something you load and pin in haste. Also I really think someones first intro to slin should be humulin r ..not humalog. humalog hits hard and fast ..you may not have time to react. there are some great humulin r protocols and in fact when i use slin to this day i still use humulin r. I have used humalog but I really like humulin r better anyway.I read a post on another board where someone expressed concern that insulin use is becoming a casual thing to do. It should never be taken casually, the fact that some places it is scares me..
China_Wall
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just gonna get to the point... I know and have trained with some guys that compete on a decent level and half of them have never used slin. So, it's not something u gotta do if u wanna get to 250 lean as shit
20iu of gh ED combined with various compounds can do wonders without slin
20iu of gh ED combined with various compounds can do wonders without slin
KobesBryant
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just gonna get to the point... I know and have trained with some guys that compete on a decent level and half of them have never used slin. So, it's not something u gotta do if u wanna get to 250 lean as shit
20iu of gh ED combined with various compounds can do wonders without slin
GH also comes with lots of side effects just as any AAS do. Slin has very few sides besides death and diabetes which neither should happen if you are careful. GH is also very expensive. You can also run slin more regularly than AAS and can run it in between AAS cycles to continue gaining while you are cycling. I think slin is great, but I should warn you I have only been using it for a few months so I am still not experienced enough to take my advice without doing your own research.
Hrnyfckr
Eager student
I've add 'slin to reignite a long cycle midway. I'm on week 4 of 10iu PWO only. I'm a classic "hard gainer" ecto-morph. People usually say, "boy you're ripped!" But after 4 weeks of 'slin... I'm getting: "wow, you're getting big!" My weight has not changed.
So that's the difference for me, I'm acquiring a "fullness" that I associate with the quality we call "mass." It should be noted that I started mid cycle with very little body fat. I naturally have very thin, veiny skin. Perhaps my body naturally does not put out enough insulin for me to absorb all the calories that I ingest. I try for 5000/day.
If you're big anyway with a higher % body fat, 'slin might not be right for you.
Just sayin'.
So that's the difference for me, I'm acquiring a "fullness" that I associate with the quality we call "mass." It should be noted that I started mid cycle with very little body fat. I naturally have very thin, veiny skin. Perhaps my body naturally does not put out enough insulin for me to absorb all the calories that I ingest. I try for 5000/day.
If you're big anyway with a higher % body fat, 'slin might not be right for you.
Just sayin'.
Sorry dont' mean to hijack but, I am pre-diabetic and I didn't realize that insulin helps carry nutrients because the thing is that I'm 8 weeks in on a blast of 400mg/test a week and I can't gain any weight, I'm still at 162 pounds. Even before I started the blast for about 6 months I was trying to gain LBM. I was working with 3J and following his plan eating about 3k calories a day, and I still eat that much. I've ate so much protein in one meal where my kidneys have hurt later on. So, I am definitely eating but, just not seeing gains.
Should I consider slin? I am pre-diabetic like I said but, I am controlling it pretty well. I can't go crazy on carbs but, for example if I eat 2 cups of brown rice I can be fine. However, I can't for example eat 1 cup of whole wheat pancakes or my blood glucose goes way up though it does come down after a couple hours. I'm usually waking up around a 100 BG which is my average, though I have had in the past waken up with less even in the 70's-80's this is all after Ive been working out regularly and eating clean. Or else last year in October before I decided to get healthy and make a change my fasting BG was 270.
Kind of funny the whole reason I started getting healthy was because my doc was talking to me about diabetes and insulin when he saw the 270 and it freaked me out, having to pin (never did it before) and being on insulin is what made me change around that time I got tested and put on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) so of course I got used to the pinning and so now it's not a big deal. So, I'm wondering if I should consider slin? I really don't know how much to use and all that. Can you go to a doc if you have diabetes or pre-diabetes and request slin? Or I mean I know they try other methods first like pills. The thing is that I don't want things to get worst and become dependent on the slin, can that happen? I guess I need to do more research. It's just that this really sucks and is depressing that I eat so much and try to work out regularly and I can't see any gains and if my body has issues making insulin (Ie: high bg) then maybe it's because I'm not getting all the nutrients? I wonder if they can prescribe me a "safe" amount based on where my BG is now? Would that work if I tell them that I want the slin because I'm worried my body isn't getting all the nutrients from food?
Should I consider slin? I am pre-diabetic like I said but, I am controlling it pretty well. I can't go crazy on carbs but, for example if I eat 2 cups of brown rice I can be fine. However, I can't for example eat 1 cup of whole wheat pancakes or my blood glucose goes way up though it does come down after a couple hours. I'm usually waking up around a 100 BG which is my average, though I have had in the past waken up with less even in the 70's-80's this is all after Ive been working out regularly and eating clean. Or else last year in October before I decided to get healthy and make a change my fasting BG was 270.
Kind of funny the whole reason I started getting healthy was because my doc was talking to me about diabetes and insulin when he saw the 270 and it freaked me out, having to pin (never did it before) and being on insulin is what made me change around that time I got tested and put on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) so of course I got used to the pinning and so now it's not a big deal. So, I'm wondering if I should consider slin? I really don't know how much to use and all that. Can you go to a doc if you have diabetes or pre-diabetes and request slin? Or I mean I know they try other methods first like pills. The thing is that I don't want things to get worst and become dependent on the slin, can that happen? I guess I need to do more research. It's just that this really sucks and is depressing that I eat so much and try to work out regularly and I can't see any gains and if my body has issues making insulin (Ie: high bg) then maybe it's because I'm not getting all the nutrients? I wonder if they can prescribe me a "safe" amount based on where my BG is now? Would that work if I tell them that I want the slin because I'm worried my body isn't getting all the nutrients from food?
Hrnyfckr
Eager student
To username1: I would proceed with caution here! Like I said, 'slin is not for everyone. I'm getting the results I was looking for, but you don't want to mess with diabetes. Both my father and older brother are diabetics, and like you, I started weight training to avoid that end. It's merely ironic that I turned to 'slin to up my game.
It might be the answer for you, ultimately. I would, however, (if I were you) wait for a year and make sure my blood sugar has become naturally stable. Since you spike anyway by ingesting too many simple carbs---- just use what you already have going to your advantage. Eat some simple carbs and about 50 grams of protien immediately PWO. Your natural insulin spike should shuttle the nutrients right into the muscles worked. About an hour later, follow up with a meal of protien and complex carbs. This is the 'slin protocol anyway. Keep monitoring your blood sugar... Keep a log.... And see what is happening naturally. I would certainly want this information, if I had your history, before I added 'slin.
It might be the answer for you, ultimately. I would, however, (if I were you) wait for a year and make sure my blood sugar has become naturally stable. Since you spike anyway by ingesting too many simple carbs---- just use what you already have going to your advantage. Eat some simple carbs and about 50 grams of protien immediately PWO. Your natural insulin spike should shuttle the nutrients right into the muscles worked. About an hour later, follow up with a meal of protien and complex carbs. This is the 'slin protocol anyway. Keep monitoring your blood sugar... Keep a log.... And see what is happening naturally. I would certainly want this information, if I had your history, before I added 'slin.
Appreciate the info. Yes, I want to be cautious and hesitant and never really considered it until I thought maybe my body isn't getting enough nutrients and so eating all the food I am could be going to waste. I can try what you suggested and see what happens. I used to keep a ton of logs of my BG since around last November or so, I was tracking a lot, every day, some days extensive testing like 1 hr. after a meal, and 2 hrs after a meal. I have logs of all this is in Excel so I have a good idea as to where I am. When I started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is when my BG started stabilizing and staying lower, I've woken up to BG in the 60's before and before testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) I was pretty much never below 100. I've read that test can make you more sensitive to insulin. So, if my BG is coming down after I eat high carbs or whatever then I guess my body is still producing insulin so what you're saying makes sense and I will start researching and try to do that.
Also, if I was going to go down this road I don't think I would want to self-medicate, I would want to see if I can work with a doctor on it, that's the reason I was asking if a doc would prescribe it if I asked for it for the specific purpose of not wanting to lose nutrients but, I don't know if they do that or not or if they want to try other ways. I'm pretty sure if I took a glucose test that I'd fail it but, by how much I don't know and if they would just be willing to prescribe it. However, I would like to be under their supervision so they can tell me how much I need to dose and what-not so I'm not just trying to do it myself. Again, not sure if they will let this happen or not or all other means of controlling BG have to be tried first. Like I said though I don't want my body to become dependent on the slin and maybe my body will stop or slow down on producing insulin if it sees it's getting exogenous insulin, not sure if that can happen or not.
Ok, so I was looking up simple carbs and basically this is all the stuff that I'm supposed to never eat,
Sucrose
Brown Sugar
Raw Sugar
High Fructose Corn Syrup
Corn Syrup
Dextrose
Glucose
Fructose
Maltose
Malt Sugar
Syrup
Honey
So for example, I can use honey? or I know there are dextro shakes out there should I try with that? so like you said immediately pro workout eat 50g. protein (50g. protein shake would be fine?) i could put some dextrose in there and drink it all at once? then an hour later have a meal with complex carbs etc.
so any idea as to how far up my BG should/shouldn't go after i inject the simple carbs (ie: dextrose) ? as long as it comes down to normal in 2 hrs is that fine?
or what about just something like apple juice instead of dextrose?
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Gearedup26
BEAST
insulin is a dangerous game to play have a whole family insulin depedent be sure you know what your doing but there are many benifits if done correctly
