Is HCG required for a 17 week test-e blast?

[4GKenZy]

Doing 250mg test-e E3D for 17 weeks. On week 4 at the moment.

So will I need hcg to recover? My PCT plan is:
90/60/60/30 Torem

I'm just wondering how necessary hcg is in the long run for restarting my natural test production and making sure everything ends up fine. Let me know guys, i appreciate any feedback! Thanks.

 

[Megatron28]

hCG is not required, but it is highly recommended.

What are you doing for estradiol management and blood work?

Age? Stats? Years training? Goals? Diet?

 

[4GKenZy]

hCG is not required, but it is highly recommended.

What are you doing for estradiol management and blood work?

Age? Stats? Years training? Goals? Diet?

Forgot to mention I ran dbol 50mg ed 1-4. I was using .5 arimidex EoD since that shit aromatizes like a motherfucker. going to lower soon to .25 EoD until I get my mid cycle bloods to see where I stand. Atm minimal bloat, no itchy nips, etc. so I think I'm around the right range.
Bloodworks were 1 pre-cycle, 1 around week 8, and one 4 weeks after PCT.
Goal is to just bulk up. Add lots of strength and mass while keeping fat gain minimal. Diet is IIFYM based, hitting my protein/calorie/carb goal everyday is pretty much all that matters though.

What do I risk by not running hcg?

 

[Milton]

Forgot to mention I ran dbol 50mg ed 1-4. I was using .5 arimidex EoD since that shit aromatizes like a motherfucker. going to lower soon to .25 EoD until I get my mid cycle bloods to see where I stand. Atm minimal bloat, no itchy nips, etc. so I think I'm around the right range.
Bloodworks were 1 pre-cycle, 1 around week 8, and one 4 weeks after PCT.
Goal is to just bulk up. Add lots of strength and mass while keeping fat gain minimal. Diet is IIFYM based, hitting my protein/calorie/carb goal everyday is pretty much all that matters though.

What do I risk by not running hcg?

Age? Stats? Years training? Goals? Diet?

 

[4GKenZy]

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[Megatron28]

Forgot to mention I ran dbol 50mg ed 1-4. I was using .5 arimidex EoD since that shit aromatizes like a motherfucker. going to lower soon to .25 EoD until I get my mid cycle bloods to see where I stand. Atm minimal bloat, no itchy nips, etc. so I think I'm around the right range.
Bloodworks were 1 pre-cycle, 1 around week 8, and one 4 weeks after PCT.
Goal is to just bulk up. Add lots of strength and mass while keeping fat gain minimal. Diet is IIFYM based, hitting my protein/calorie/carb goal everyday is pretty much all that matters though.

What do I risk by not running hcg?

You forgot to answer some of the questions.

Risk of not running hCG is that your testicles and leydig cells atrophy which inhibits your ability to fully recover post cycle. Lost gains post cycle. Increased odds of TRT and infertility.

 

[4GKenZy]

You forgot to answer some of the questions.

Risk of not running hCG is that your testicles and leydig cells atrophy which inhibits your ability to fully recover post cycle. Lost gains post cycle. Increased odds of TRT and infertility.

It's my understanding that if this was a 12 week cycle this wouldn't be as big of a risk, right?

 

[4GKenZy]

One more thing, is my PCT fine? Or should I stack it with some Nolva? Nolva/Torem is apparently PCT of the gods, I have both on hand. i cba with clomid.

 

[mightysatchmo]

4GKenzy your asking for alot of information yet 2 people that have alot of knowledge are asking for your stats? Age, etc. Have to give a little to get alot.

 

[4GKenZy]

4GKenzy your asking for alot of information yet 2 people that have alot of knowledge are asking for your stats? Age, etc. Have to give a little to get alot.

How am I asking for a lot of information?
I asked if my PCT should suffice and how necessary HCG is. Both can be answered in less than 10 words.
No offense to them but the questions were pretty stupid; they can't tell what my goal is based off me blasting test and dbol? Obviously to add mass.
Regardless, here is your information that will supposedly change the answer:
Age? 18 (save it, already on TRT, zyzz wannabe j/k)
Stats? 6'3" 190 pounds extremely lean I'd say 9% bodyfat. But at the moment I'm 205 pounds (thanks dbol, damn water cannon) If you're looking for lifts, here they are:
Bench 280lbs x 5
Squat 325lbs x 5
Military Press 155 x 5
Deadlift 360 x 5
Never did 1RM.
Years training? 4 nearly 5
Goals? Answered.
Diet? Answered.

 

[Megatron28]

It's my understanding that if this was a 12 week cycle this wouldn't be as big of a risk, right?

Compared to what?

I would use the hCG. It is cheap and easy to use. There is little downside to running hCG at the doses we recommend.

 

[Megatron28]

One more thing, is my PCT fine? Or should I stack it with some Nolva? Nolva/Torem is apparently PCT of the gods, I have both on hand. i cba with clomid.

Most guys go with clomid and nolva for PCT.

 

[4GKenZy]

Compared to what?

I would use the hCG. It is cheap and easy to use. There is little downside to running hCG at the doses we recommend.

Compared to my 17 week blast.

 

[Megatron28]

How am I asking for a lot of information?
I asked if my PCT should suffice and how necessary HCG is. Both can be answered in less than 10 words.
No offense to them but the questions were pretty stupid; they can't tell what my goal is based off me blasting test and dbol? Obviously to add mass.
Regardless, here is your information that will supposedly change the answer:
Age? 18 (save it, already on TRT, zyzz wannabe j/k)
Stats? 6'3" 190 pounds extremely lean I'd say 9% bodyfat. But at the moment I'm 205 pounds (thanks dbol, damn water cannon) If you're looking for lifts, here they are:
Bench 280lbs x 5
Squat 325lbs x 5
Military Press 155 x 5
Deadlift 360 x 5
Never did 1RM.
Years training? 4 nearly 5
Goals? Answered.
Diet? Answered.

I don't think it was obvious. That is why I asked.

Now let's address the obvious. If you are already on TRT, why aren't you already using hCG and why would you run PCT after a blast?

 

[4GKenZy]

I don't think it was obvious. That is why I asked.

Now let's address the obvious. If you are already on TRT, why aren't you already using hCG and why would you run PCT after a blast?

Truth be told I am fine with being on TRT since starting at a young age, I know it's a risk, however am not already on it.
I'd like to preserve my natural test, though.

 

[4GKenZy]

Most guys go with clomid and nolva for PCT.

So I've heard. It's unfortunate and seems no way around it, but I have heard reports that torem works just as well and it's apparently more mild than clomid.

 

[Megatron28]

Compared to my 17 week blast.

Yes, 12 weeks vs 17 weeks improves your recovery odds. But there is never a guarantee. And in both cases, hCG improves your odds of recovering. But again, you don't have to use it. You can meet your balls shrink. You don't have to run PCT either. It will just take longer to recover and increase your odds of not recovering.

 

[Megatron28]

Truth be told I am fine with being on TRT since starting at a young age, I know it's a risk, however am not already on it.
I'd like to preserve my natural test, though.

Then just blast and cruise. Pin for the rest of your hopefully long life. Take your gear with you wherever you travel.


**Sarcasm**

 

[Megatron28]

So I've heard. It's unfortunate and seems no way around it, but I have heard reports that torem works just as well and it's apparently more mild than clomid.

There are guys who use torem. It is just less common.

 

[4GKenZy]

Then just blast and cruise. Pin for the rest of your hopefully long life. Take your gear with you wherever you travel.


**Sarcasm**

Well thanks to test-u, I probably won't have to take it with me.

But thanks for your advice up until here. I just wonder why people take clomid and nolva over torem. Torem is more mild, but is it as effective? I guess I'll find out.