Is this split protocol warranted?

[Zymurgist]

I believe my question is pretty basic and simple. During a cycle of test c and eq, both at 300 mg per week, is it necessary to split this into 2 doses per week? For example: 150 mg test c + 150 mg eq on Monday, and 150 mg test c + 150 mg eq on Thursday.

Each hormone is only 300 mg by itself, but the total is 600 mg. My understanding is that above 400 mg per week the recommendation is to typically split. I'm just not sure if that applies to the total amount of hormone or only if one is above a certain threshold (which by my understanding is around 400 mg).

Also, can both hormones be drawn together in the syringe and pinned once in the same area, or should they be drawn and pinned separately in two different areas?

 

[Milton]

Welcome to the boards!

 

[Roush]

you do not need to split it up, so long as the muscle group you are injecting can handle the total ml volume you want to inject. also, you can mix test and eq together in the same syringe.

I will say though, 300 mg a week of EQ is a complete waste of EQ . that is the ONE compound you really need to run at high dosages to get much out of it (but its one that has little sides at high dosage as well). 600-800 mg a week is ideal

 

[cybrsage]

Most people on TRT will do a 3.5 day shots because it helps level out the hormone amount in the body. Weekly shots will see a much larger up and down swing than 3.5 day shots see. For TRT, an even and smooth curve is desired. If using for enhancement, I would think it is up to each individual if they care about smoothing out the curve. The time spent on will not be a lot of time, all in all.

 

[Zymurgist]

Thank you for the responses....much appreciated!

Regarding EQ, my previous research has confirmed more or less what Roush stated as far as not really being worth while unless used at a higher dose. I did a cycle of test only previously, but it has been quite a while. I decided to incorporate EQ with test for a cycle, but with both at relatively low doses (300 mg each per week). I'm in my early 40's and I have been a long time natural lifter. I am pretty cautious when it comes to putting these chemicals into my body and prefer to take it slowly. I want to first see how it affects me before deciding if I will run another cycle at a higher dose. Maybe I'm being overly cautious, but I am more comfortable with this protocol.

 

[Roush]

If your just wanting to 'try' out a compound and see how u feel and react , I suggest going with fast acting short esters . Boldenone propionate may be an option for you if you can find it (fast acting EQ).

Otherwise your probably not going to see or feel much until a good 8 weeks or more in , and if the dosage is too low you may never really see much . A short ester will give you much faster feedback

 

[Teutonic]

Welcome....Roush sealed it.

 

[Zymurgist]

If your just wanting to 'try' out a compound and see how u feel and react , I suggest going with fast acting short esters . Boldenone propionate may be an option for you if you can find it (fast acting EQ).

Otherwise your probably not going to see or feel much until a good 8 weeks or more in , and if the dosage is too low you may never really see much . A short ester will give you much faster feedback

Thank you. Do the cypionate and enanthate compounds, whether from test or EQ, continue to work for a period of time after you stop them due to their long ester nature? If so, approximately how long?

 

[Roush]

Thank you. Do the cypionate and enanthate compounds, whether from test or EQ, continue to work for a period of time after you stop them due to their long ester nature? If so, approximately how long?

yes, the half life of test c is about 12 days and about 14 days for EQ .. short esters like prop are about 3 days

 

[Zymurgist]

yes, the half life of test c is about 12 days and about 14 days for EQ .. short esters like prop are about 3 days

Yeah...I've read about the half life of the various compounds, but thought there might be something else at play since you mentioned it could take a good 8 weeks until I see or feel it.

 

[Roush]

Yeah...I've read about the half life of the various compounds, but thought there might be something else at play since you mentioned it could take a good 8 weeks until I see or feel it.

yeah thats dependent on the compound and the ester . . some compounds just take a really long time for blood levels to build up over time, and/or are just very subtle in their action . EQ is slow and subtle, where as Deca is slow and then 'bam' when it does hit 8 weeks later you feel it and see it and blow up (but your just waiting 8 weeks while things are slowly building up). Masteron E is slow and subtle as well, and there is never any "bam" moment, its just slowly doing its thing in the back ground.

however with short ester everything is just much quicker, though the compounds 'actions' are still the same. NPP for example (short ester Deca) kicks in much quicker then Deca, but it is still 'slow' in that it seems to need time to build up blood levels, and then Bam, a few weeks later its on.
Test Propiante however is quick and noticeable (for me at least) in like a couple days is all.

so, just saying apart from the ester and half life, different compounds are just different in how they 'kick in' or 'feel' as well.

 

[Zymurgist]

Thanks for the additional info.

Would the standard recommended AI dose and PCT be recommended for this cycle? For example:

Arimidex .25mg EOD for the duration of the cycle + 3 weeks
Clomafene Citrate 50mg everyday for 4 weeks (PCT)
Tamoxifen citrate 40mg every day 2 weeks followed by 20mg everyday for 2 weeks (PCT)

Or since the test/EQ is at a lower dosage, the AI and PCT can/should be lowered?

Also, is 2.5 weeks sufficient to wait after the last injection (consisting of 300 mg test c + 300 mg EQ) before starting PCT? Or is a slightly longer wait necessary due to the EQ if both stopped at the same time? Should the EQ be stopped one week prior to the test or would that not really matter?

 

[Zymurgist]

Thanks for the additional info.

Would the standard recommended AI dose and PCT be recommended for this cycle? For example:

Arimidex .25mg EOD for the duration of the cycle + 3 weeks
Clomafene Citrate 50mg everyday for 4 weeks (PCT)
Tamoxifen citrate 40mg every day 2 weeks followed by 20mg everyday for 2 weeks (PCT)

Or since the test/EQ is at a lower dosage, the AI and PCT can/should be lowered?

Also, is 2.5 weeks sufficient to wait after the last injection (consisting of 300 mg test c + 300 mg EQ) before starting PCT? Or is a slightly longer wait necessary due to the EQ if both stopped at the same time? Should the EQ be stopped one week prior to the test or would that not really matter?

Would it be better to post these additional questions in a separate thread?

 

[Milton]

Would it be better to post these additional questions in a separate thread?

Its looking good here hope the advice and council helps out!