Keto and PCT !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Prowl]

So I'm starting my PCT in a few weeks (not looking forward to it). I've been on a keto diet for the last 3 months with great success with a test e and EQ stack. Would like to drop another 5ilbs but obviously don't want to continue keto during pct. Was planning on going back to maintenance for pct then thinking about keto again after fully recoverd. Thoughts?? I've ran many cycles but this is the first 20 week cycle I have done. Getting close to my 40s so this is going to be a hard recovery.

 

[clman8585]

Cool i just noticed to "imortant terms" feature. Great idea!

 

[halfwit]

You can stay in ketosis while maintaining. Just up your cals. I can't think of any reason why a diet high in fats and protein would have any adverse effects on your recovery at all. You're already in a deficit I'm assuming, so bumping them up a little would just add back in some body fat while you're recovering.

I'd just stay on the same diet personally, but I don't know what your goals are beyond trying to lose 5lbs.

My 0.02c

 

[PrinceDianabol]

You can stay in ketosis while maintaining. Just up your cals. I can't think of any reason why a diet high in fats and protein would have any adverse effects on your recovery at all. You're already in a deficit I'm assuming, so bumping them up a little would just add back in some body fat while you're recovering.

I'd just stay on the same diet personally, but I don't know what your goals are beyond trying to lose 5lbs.

My 0.02c

I've no science or anything to back this, but given that both leptin & thyroid respond best to carbohydrate intake, and both of those influence HPTA... wouldn't at least a moderate carb intake be best? During PCT anyhow?

Let me know what you think Half

 

[Prowl]

You can stay in ketosis while maintaining. Just up your cals. I can't think of any reason why a diet high in fats and protein would have any adverse effects on your recovery at all. You're already in a deficit I'm assuming, so bumping them up a little would just add back in some body fat while you're recovering.

I'd just stay on the same diet personally, but I don't know what your goals are beyond trying to lose 5lbs.

My 0.02c

I am planning to carb cycle during the winter, so being on the keto was to loose some bf which I did. I completely change my body during this cycle. I haven't seen my abs like this since I was in my 20s..lol. My goal is to try a lean bulk during the winter to put on some more mass and not gain much bf back.
So Halfwit your suggestion to stay of keto (yes calorie deficit) during pct?? guess I can give a go, I just though since being in pct calorie deficit wouldn't be a good idea.

 

[Prowl]

I've no science or anything to back this, but given that both leptin & thyroid respond best to carbohydrate intake, and both of those influence HPTA... wouldn't at least a moderate carb intake be best? During PCT anyhow?

Let me know what you think Half

Curious to know this as well !!'

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I am planning to carb cycle during the winter, so being on the keto was to loose some bf which I did. I completely change my body during this cycle. I haven't seen my abs like this since I was in my 20s..lol. My goal is to try a lean bulk during the winter to put on some more mass and not gain much bf back.
So Halfwit your suggestion to stay of keto (yes calorie deficit) during pct?? guess I can give a go, I just though since being in pct calorie deficit wouldn't be a good idea.

Definitely not a deficit in PCT. That will definitely hurt/slow your recovery and be a recipe for muscle loss.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I think HW meant that you can stay in keto provided you bump your cals up to maintenance - not that you should stay in a deficit during PCT (that would be a retarded idea).

I personally would prefer a decent level of carbs during PCT to ensure a full recovery since there is evidence that carbs help with thyroid output (specifically t4>t3 conversion) and Leptin levels:

Dietary-induced alterations in thyroid hormone metabolism during overnutrition.
Effects of short-term carbohydrate or fat overfeeding on energy expenditure and plasma leptin concentrations in healthy female subjects. - PubMed - NCBI

I'd also be cautious and go for a small caloric surplus just to help your body as much as possible - a small amount of fat gain is worth it to ensure full recovery but that's just me.

 

[Prowl]

Definitely not a deficit in PCT. That will definitely hurt/slow your recovery and be a recipe for muscle loss.

Ya I just re-read halfwit post, he said to stay on keto but up calories, I can give that a shot, just raise fats and protein more. My body responded well to keto.

 

[Prowl]

I think HW meant that you can stay in keto provided you bump your cals up to maintenance - not that you should stay in a deficit during PCT (that would be a retarded idea).

I personally would prefer a decent level of carbs during PCT to ensure a full recovery since there is evidence that carbs help with thyroid output (specifically t4>t3 conversion) and Leptin levels:

Dietary-induced alterations in thyroid hormone metabolism during overnutrition.
Effects of short-term carbohydrate or fat overfeeding on energy expenditure and plasma leptin concentrations in healthy female subjects. - PubMed - NCBI

I'd also be cautious and go for a small caloric surplus just to help your body as much as possible - a small amount of fat gain is worth it to ensure full recovery but that's just me.

Yes, this was my first thought since I'll be in pct, I'll think about it, thanks for the replies guys!! Couldn't ask for a better group of bros for advice!!

 

[tx045]

Man keto on some eq sounds rough

 

[Prowl]

Man keto on some eq sounds rough

Oh ya brother, the cravings were insane and the appetite was crazy, I was always fucking hungry..lol. I think my next eq run is going to be on a bulk.

 

[halfwit]

I think HW meant that you can stay in keto provided you bump your cals up to maintenance - not that you should stay in a deficit during PCT (that would be a retarded idea).

I personally would prefer a decent level of carbs during PCT to ensure a full recovery since there is evidence that carbs help with thyroid output (specifically t4>t3 conversion) and Leptin levels:

Dietary-induced alterations in thyroid hormone metabolism during overnutrition.
Effects of short-term carbohydrate or fat overfeeding on energy expenditure and plasma leptin concentrations in healthy female subjects. - PubMed - NCBI

I'd also be cautious and go for a small caloric surplus just to help your body as much as possible - a small amount of fat gain is worth it to ensure full recovery but that's just me.

Thanks Zilla, was watching me some Maze Runner.

The only thing about leptin and thyroid output is that most studies don't seem to cover when the body is receiving energy from ketones instead of glucose. A great example would be that there are two organs that run exclusively on glucose: the brain and eyes. As we all know, going into ketosis doesn't make you blind or permanently daft (the first week or two maybe!) - as the body adjusts.

I haven't honestly looked into thyroid response during keto as I've always been on T3, and I know my leptin/ghrelin are all messed up from being morbidly obese for a long time. Unfortunately, that stuff doesn't go away for a super long time apparently.

 

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[3J]

Cool i just noticed to "imortant terms" feature. Great idea!

glad you guys are enjoying it.. it took me a while to write it all up.. lol

ive done about 350 key terms now.. and keep having to add more.. by the time i am done im expecting we have nearly 1000 key terms