LAB TESTING - WHAT is the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BASIC and COMPREHENSIVE LAB TESTING?

[IMT staff]

Your acting like we don't put the price on the car? Like I said we give all pricing before any commitment, unless they have no lab work. There are no hidden prices. Because we are a cash pay service, we give the client more control over their health, instead of the insurance company.

The difference is we don't put the cheapest one on a sign and stand on the street and call it "comprehensive".

I think your model may help some guys and that is all that really matters. I don't think it fits the biggest piece of the pie chart by any means, but it will work for some. The more guys with LowT that get treated the better. There are plenty that need help, and very few that take the time to help them. The more the word gets out, that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) can change your life, the more guys will step forward and find out if they could benefit.

Good Luck to You and all of your clients, as we said earlier don't hesitate to let us know if we can assist you with anything.

Todd

 

[lowtestosterone.com]

The difference is we don't put the cheapest one on a sign and stand on the street and call it "comprehensive".

Our prices do not change no matter the medication or lab tests the client needs, so I apologize if I don't understand why you keep implying that we advertise a cheap price and then raise it on people. The price IS the price. For some, its a business model that is hard to understand, but if you are the guy paying for the treatment, its a pretty nice and simple package.

We provide the initial blood test absolutely free, so that we KNOW what issues our clients may have. If they do not have a testosterone deficiency, the client pays for nothing.

I honestly didn't know we had others on this site who provided testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) treatment, so I can see why you would look for ways to attack our credibility and from one business to another, I can understand. But, what we do and how we do it is unlike any other and we will let people make up their own minds on the product we have put together for them.

 

[IMT staff]

I will say for the last time testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is not just about T, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and an AI.

It would be impossible to put some of our programs into one number, some of our patients spend a lot more than 200 a month, and some a little less.

Our Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) not testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) programs are too extensive to do that.

It's ok for us to be different, but do not imply that we attacked your business at all, your are the one that came into our thread. We are not worried about your business at all. There are too many that need help, we are adding doctors by the day that need help managing their patient base, because they started everyone on basic testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and now the patient's are not happy. Things change, they don't stay the same, but it would be nice if it were different.


Sorry for spelling I am at bar watching game! Go Blue

 

[lowtestosterone.com]

This is a message board and I did not know it was "your" thread. It was started with something that was arguable and I wanted to give my input. I think I made my point. Thats all I wanted to do.

 

[halfwit]

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If one patient takes 80mg a week with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), and another is primary so he does not need HCG, why does he have to pay the same as the guy who gets all 3?

Believe it or not, I've found this dialogue to be quite informative and even helped me to find a question due to the above snippet! I am primary hypogonadal and as I have no plans on expanding my family further, nor do I have problems with atrophy bothering me, I have not chosen to pursue Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) treatment. I know that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mimics the LH signal from the pituitary, but if we're taking exogenous testosterone - what would this "fake" signal do aside from keeping the testes full and possibly continuing hormone production such as pregnenolone? If this is the purpose, why would primary folks not receive any benefit of having Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as long as they are receiving testosterone from an exogenous source? I try to be educated on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as this has become a pretty important part of my life, and when I see something that I have never heard of - I just have to find out!

I would also like to add that I think it's great that there are companies such as these which can treat men with the proper care that many primary care physicians shouldn't even be touching. While I'm not a prospective client right now, it is good to know we have such informed and properly educated folks in this field that could earn my business when I'm done being such a cheapskate and can afford to do things right.

My .02c



Oh, and we definitely need to see more of Lindsay. I just advise keeping her out of the AAS section, or we might have a full-scale riot on our hands due to the volatile level of androgens in the atmosphere there.

 

[1693]

why would primary folks not receive any benefit of having Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as long as they are receiving testosterone from an exogenous source?

No sense in giving the testes a signal to produce more test when they are exhausted and can't.

However, I've been told that we have LH receptors throughout our bodies, so even a "primary" should see if they have a better testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) experience with HCG.

 

[halfwit]

No sense in giving the testes a signal to produce more test when they are exhausted and can't.

Except testes don't only produce testosterone which is being replaced by injection. It's those others that I am concerned with and wonder if Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would stimulate their production. Examples being: inhibin B, anti-Müllerian hormone, and insulin-like factor 3 among others.

 

[Megatron28]

Except testes don't only produce testosterone which is being replaced by injection. It's those others that I am concerned with and wonder if Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would stimulate their production. Examples being: inhibin B, anti-Müllerian hormone, and insulin-like factor 3 among others.

I have the same question as you Halfwit. I don't take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) either and am done having kids. Wouldn't the testes still produce those other hormones if the body has a need for them? Or when they don't get the LH signal to produce test does it interrupt the other hormones produced there?

 

[IMT staff]

That is a good question fellas. One thing I will point out is if you have extra Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) roaming around in the body, that is not being attached, the more likely it can run around and get into trouble, like convert to E.

So It would really depend on your sensitivity to it. Usually, from what I have seen, men who are primary have too much aroma with HCG, but that is not always the case.

Think of it like your FT number was sky high, that just means more conversion to E and DHT.

Hope this helps

 

[halfwit]

I have the same question as you Halfwit. I don't take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) either and am done having kids. Wouldn't the testes still produce those other hormones if the body has a need for them? Or when they don't get the LH signal to produce test does it interrupt the other hormones produced there?

What's sad is I asked an endo in my area and he had no clue. I don't dare ask my PCP when I go in today for an appointment, he'll just give me that deer in headlights look.

That is a good question fellas. One thing I will point out is if you have extra Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) roaming around in the body, that is not being attached, the more likely it can run around and get into trouble, like convert to E.

So It would really depend on your sensitivity to it. Usually, from what I have seen, men who are primary have too much aroma with HCG, but that is not always the case.

Think of it like your FT number was sky high, that just means more conversion to E and DHT.

Hope this helps

My Free Test is sky high lol. >< (Hence my appointment today) Good thing I have buckets of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to keep it from joining the dark side!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Anybody who is not testing for C-Peptide and C Reactive protein is a dinosaur. Hormones affect these levels, if your not developing a baseline on inflammation how would you know if your homocysteine levels were affected by testosterone? How would you know if your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is leaving you at an increased risk for CVD? How would you know if your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or Aromatase Inhibitor use was causing in increase risk for insulin resistance or non alcoholic fatty liver disease?

All these things are related to ferritin and folate and honestly it doesn't stop there, they are all interconnected. So for anyone to say those comprehensive lab values do not relate to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) honestly doesn't know the first thing about it

Just my 2 cents

Plasma total homocysteine (tHcy) levels are higher in men vs. premenopausal women, but it is not known whether this difference is related to sex steroids. The effects of cross-sex hormone administration on plasma tHcy levels were therefore investigated.

A substantial reduction in plasma tHcy levels was found in male subjects after estrogen + antiandrogen administration. Because of simultaneous administration of antiandrogens, the observed effects may not be ascribed solely to estrogen administration. Conversely, a significant increase in plasma tHcy levels after testosterone administration was found in female subjects. This may have implications for the use of androgens in the treatment of hypoandrogenic males and for their growing use as a substitution therapy in aging males or as a contraceptive agent in reproductive males. There have been reports of young weight lifters, using androgens, who developed myocardial infarction and stroke.

Besides possible direct effects of the administered sex steroids on homocysteine metabolism, there also may be changes in plasma tHcy levels secondary to other biological effects of these steroids.

http://increasemyt.com/daily-trt-articles/plasma-total-homocysteine-thcy-study