Lean Bulk Deca and Test

[slayer of souls]

Cycle
Test 750mg/week 1-14
Deca 400mg/week 1-12

1-4week Dbol 40mg/day


PCT Nolva 40/40/20/20
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Initially was going the EQ route, but there is only fakes in my country and already got scammed once. I will stick to HG gear.

Any suggestions for keeping bloat down on this cycle, other than an AI?

I tend to bloat up a lot when I use deca, so this cycle I plan to keep my diet lean and tight. My goal is to pack on mass, but within reason.

Should I just keep it simple and run test?

Stats: 5'8 205lbs. Last cycle i tipped the scale at 215-220 ish, however got some food poisoning along with a shoulder injury and weight fell.

 

[mason95]

Dude you need to run a dopamine agonist like Prami, Caber, or Dostinex. This will lower Prolactin which is what causes sides while on Deca.

Plenty of info about thiis on the forum already.

 

[biggie908]

dude you need to run a dopamine agonist like prami, caber, or dostinex. This will lower prolactin which is what causes sides while on deca.

Plenty of info about thiis on the forum already.

ive never heard of this.. Im startin deca in 2wks

 

[mason95]

ive never heard of this.. Im startin deca in 2wks

Seriously? Do a search on Prami.

 

[RJ]

Dude you need to run a dopamine agonist like Prami, Caber, or Dostinex. This will lower Prolactin which is what causes sides while on Deca.

Plenty of info about thiis on the forum already.

x2. most people only relate sides to estro based stuff, and alot of the time, its cause your diet and water intake sucks.

If those things are in check, and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or dope agonist should keep them in check. This is why test only cycles are suggested for first cycles so you know what sides are caused by what. Well, one reason anyway.

 

[slayer of souls]

Dude you need to run a dopamine agonist like Prami, Caber, or Dostinex. This will lower Prolactin which is what causes sides while on Deca.

Plenty of info about thiis on the forum already.

Ran deca 2x before, would it still be necessary? Since its OTC, I will have no problem getting it from the pharama, will double check though.

BTW what about post cycle therapy (pct) protocol? Living with family, so storing in the fridge for the entire cycle might be a no no. But I am sure I can manage to hide a vial in a bottle deep inside the fridge.

Should I run HCG in the window from week 14 to 16 before nolva post cycle therapy (pct)?

 

[Polynikes666]

Dude you need to run a dopamine agonist like Prami, Caber, or Dostinex. This will lower Prolactin which is what causes sides while on Deca.

Plenty of info about thiis on the forum already.

I didn't know that that Cabergoline was a dopamine agonist like Pramipexole. I did know that they had similar effects on prolactin. I looked it up, and you're absolutely correct. You learn something new every day!

Poly

 

[yadi79]

Dude you need to run a dopamine agonist like Prami, Caber, or Dostinex. This will lower Prolactin which is what causes sides while on Deca.

Plenty of info about thiis on the forum already.

prami, cabaer or dostinex.. which one do u recommand?

and how do u use it?

Ive been searching and every one just says u need it.. but not really tell u how to.. or how to dose it..

if im running a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin.. how do use it with it?

 

[Epic Ed]

Cabaser (cabergoline) is the same thing as Dostinex. Dostinex is just a brand name for cabaser. It has a long half life (5-7 days) and most people dose it at .5mg E3D. That's the protocol I used last cycle and it worked well for me. No lactation issues and my sex drive was through the roof, though I did still have problems reaching climax. About the only down side to cabaser is the cost -- it ain't cheap.

Prami has a much shorter half life and needs to be take every day. I got some liquid Prami toward the end of my cycle because I was running out of cabaser. I only took it two weeks but was not very impressed with the benefits. Others swear by it when running a cycle with 19-nor compounds and to be honest, I don't think I gave it enough time to fully evaluate it's effectiveness for me. So, I'll defer to those who have more experience to elaborate further on the prami, but it's easier to get a hold of and it's cheaper.

 

[yadi79]

Cabaser (cabergoline) is the same thing as Dostinex. Dostinex is just a brand name for cabaser. It has a long half life (5-7 days) and most people dose it at .5mg E3D. That's the protocol I used last cycle and it worked well for me. No lactation issues and my sex drive was through the roof, though I did still have problems reaching climax. About the only down side to cabaser is the cost -- it ain't cheap.

Prami has a much shorter half life and needs to be take every day. I got some liquid Prami toward the end of my cycle because I was running out of cabaser. I only took it two weeks but was not very impressed with the benefits. Others swear by it when running a cycle with 19-nor compounds and to be honest, I don't think I gave it enough time to fully evaluate it's effectiveness for me. So, I'll defer to those who have more experience to elaborate further on the prami, but it's easier to get a hold of and it's cheaper.

Thank you for the info!

yes! I see caber is $$$

and prami in liquid is easy to get.. from sponsers..

So is it okay to take it right after aromasin?

 

[mason95]

Thank you for the info!

yes! I see caber is $$$

and prami in liquid is easy to get.. from sponsers..

So is it okay to take it right after aromasin?

Prami definitely works, I am using it from the sponsors. I do, however, believe that Cabaser may be a superior product based on some other members accounts but have never tried it myself.
My experience with Prami is that it will keep you closer to baseline with respect to the sides you're trying to prevent but it's simply not powerful enough to make everything "normal" without taking huge doses. I take 2 mg everyday (1.5 before bed and .5 in am) and while Prolactin sides seem to be down I still "feel" some of the negative effects of Deca based on past experiences. Not scientific by any means but this is the way I experience it. In other words, the dick still works but I'm no porn star anymore.

That being said, Slayer you might be fine with Prami at that dose of Deca but if you are able to easily get Caber I would probably go with that and follow Ed's dosing. If you run Prami, I would suggest titrating up to 1mg/wk over 3 weeks starting out at .125mg before bed and increase the dose slowly. Some people recommend .5 ed but I just don't think this is the optimal range but who knows, everyone is different. You may even be fine without it but Prami certainly won't do any harm if titrated properly. Also, it has many positive effects that improve quality of life regardless of Prolactin.

just my .02, hope this helps someone.

 

[slayer of souls]

That being said, Slayer you might be fine with Prami at that dose of Deca but if you are able to easily get Caber I would probably go with that and follow Ed's dosing. If you run Prami, I would suggest titrating up to 1mg/wk over 3 weeks starting out at .125mg before bed and increase the dose slowly. Some people recommend .5 ed but I just don't think this is the optimal range but who knows, everyone is different. You may even be fine without it but Prami certainly won't do any harm if titrated properly. Also, it has many positive effects that improve quality of life regardless of Prolactin.

just my .02, hope this helps someone.

I have actually never experienced deca dick or gyno will running a test/deca stack. Is it still necessary? Does it hinder gains like a-dex

 

[slayer of souls]

How should I schedule the pinning, since i have 250mg amps.

I was thinking Mon-Wed-Friday test 250 each pin and adex
Mon- Friday deca 200mg each pin

 

[biggie908]

Is caber or prami a must if you are running a good ai?

 

[glubgawd]

Is caber or prami a must if you are running a good ai?

Yes.

At least keep them on hand. I don't run my cab through the whole cycle since I rarely get prog sides. Always keep it on hand just in case though

 

[biggie908]

yes.

At least keep them on hand. I don't run my cab through the whole cycle since i rarely get prog sides. Always keep it on hand just in case though

this is my first TIME running deca 300mg a week