Lethargy issues from m1t,t3, or?

[anzel]

On behalf of a friend I'm looking into this.
Last year he used rui t3 and clen and psl tbol.
This year he went with psl t3,clen and m1t.
After 2 weeks he felt extremely lethargic and stopped taking the m1t figuring that's the only new compound he was taking.
But he still felt wiped out so he switched his t3 back to rui brand and he says he feels better now.
To me this doesn't make sense. I think tl that he just had to give the m1t more time to clear his system.
My question is has this happened to anyone else?

 

[bigben66]

On behalf of a friend I'm looking into this.
Last year he used rui t3 and clen and psl tbol.
This year he went with psl t3,clen and m1t.
After 2 weeks he felt extremely lethargic and stopped taking the m1t figuring that's the only new compound he was taking.
But he still felt wiped out so he switched his t3 back to rui brand and he says he feels better now.
To me this doesn't make sense. I think tl that he just had to give the m1t more time to clear his system.
My question is has this happened to anyone else?

Good question.... I'm just about to abandon my PSL Clen... 6 weeks out from a show and I'm using my regular Clen dosing protocol... now up to 120mcg (which is an all time high for me) no sides whatsoever, and I'm gaining water weight and subcutaneous fat despite being on a slight calorific deficit and hitting LISS 3 x weekly.

I'll either to have to speak to someone in the gym for replacement Clen - or switch back to the old faithful EC stack - not ideal though 6 weeks out from stepping on stage!

I had issues last year with bunk PSL Halo and Var.... and some Adex I got from them was also totally bunk resulting in gyno.

I've never had any issues with most of their oils - but their orals leave a LOT to be desired.

 

[Mountain-Man]

T-3 will make u very sluggish I know this from experiance

 

[anzel]

Thanks for the replies guys.
Mountain man.. but when he switched over to rui t3 he felt better.
Bigben.... are u feeling the typical effects of clen? I checked with my buddy and he said his hands were shaking and what not.

 

[bigben66]

Thanks for the replies guys.
Mountain man.. but when he switched over to rui t3 he felt better.
Bigben.... are u feeling the typical effects of clen? I checked with my buddy and he said his hands were shaking and what not.

Nope, nothing at all whatsoever, only negatives re: appearance

 

[anzel]

Well then u definitely got some bunk clen.
I always likedo EC over clen anyway. Maybe not as powerful tho.

 

[Onk]

Nope, nothing at all whatsoever, only negatives re: appearance

It is PSL though....ive received bunk drol and dbol from them...and dbol is as cheap a steroid as they come. I think they have quality issues BIG time

 

[tx045]

I'm glad people can write honest reviews and hopefully not be killed for it

 

[anzel]

If anything, quality control would be the problem. Which I'm guessing is a tough department in the ugl business due to where all the raws originate from. Hell even big time companies that sell commercial products have to deal with it.

So I just got off the phone with my buddy , he still feels top notch after switching to rui t3 and clen. I told him to maybe try the m1t again and he is uncertain at this point

 

[tx045]

Hell you'd figure they'd at least have some sort of testing protocol. If I can buy a 15$ labmax kit and test it I'd hope these companies pushing their products would too

 

[anzel]

Good point

 

[anzel]

Ok so he has discontinued the t3 and clen from psl and was feeling fine so then he just tried the m1t again and became very lethargic . He says it's so bad he can't work out.
So as I suspected it's prob not the t3 or clen that caused it. And m1t seems to be known for causing lethargy.

 

[tx045]

At least it sounds legit ha

 

[juced_porkchop]

On behalf of a friend I'm looking into this.
Last year he used rui t3 and clen and psl tbol.
This year he went with psl t3,clen and m1t.
After 2 weeks he felt extremely lethargic and stopped taking the m1t figuring that's the only new compound he was taking.
But he still felt wiped out so he switched his t3 back to rui brand and he says he feels better now.
To me this doesn't make sense. I think tl that he just had to give the m1t more time to clear his system.
My question is has this happened to anyone else?

there is a reason we say dont do oral only cycles and dont do any cycles without a test base...
using aas shuts down your natural production of test.... so using m1t shuts him down and now hes running on fumes... test is used for many functions in the body.

 

[jozifp103]

Good question.... I'm just about to abandon my PSL Clen... 6 weeks out from a show and I'm using my regular Clen dosing protocol... now up to 120mcg (which is an all time high for me) no sides whatsoever, and I'm gaining water weight and subcutaneous fat despite being on a slight calorific deficit and hitting LISS 3 x weekly.

I'll either to have to speak to someone in the gym for replacement Clen - or switch back to the old faithful EC stack - not ideal though 6 weeks out from stepping on stage!

I had issues last year with bunk PSL Halo and Var.... and some Adex I got from them was also totally bunk resulting in gyno.

I've never had any issues with most of their oils - but their orals leave a LOT to be desired.

It is PSL though....ive received bunk drol and dbol from them...and dbol is as cheap a steroid as they come. I think they have quality issues BIG time

Hell you'd figure they'd at least have some sort of testing protocol. If I can buy a 15$ labmax kit and test it I'd hope these companies pushing their products would too

Quality issues? Not a chance. We don't blindly send out batches without testing. We have human testers and Labs that we send our batches to before we release them. We make extremely large batches and if a batch of ANYTHING was bad, it would be popping up all over the place. We'd go down in flames. It's nearly impossible for just one pack of something to be bunk here and there....the whole batch would have to be bad and we'd be getting blown up about it.

 

[anzel]

Juced....This guy is running 800 mg of test and 400 deca. He's never done an oral only cycle.

 

[anzel]

Yeah I personally think he just can't handle the m1t. He didn't believe me because he has never had a prob with any orals he has used over the last 15 years he been using. But once he re-introduced the m1 he got all shitty again. But he is still using rui clen and t3 just in case.

 

[bigben66]

Quality issues? Not a chance. We don't blindly send out batches without testing. We have human testers and Labs that we send our batches to before we release them. We make extremely large batches and if a batch of ANYTHING was bad, it would be popping up all over the place. We'd go down in flames. It's nearly impossible for just one pack of something to be bunk here and there....the whole batch would have to be bad and we'd be getting blown up about it.

I beg to differ man.... The PSL Arimidex I received was totally bunk last year, I developed gyno and when tested my E2 levels were through the roof on my normal TRT regimen.

I moved on to Arimidex from a different lab, my levels dropped - I had to use Tamoxifen for 6 weeks to lose the lump. I queried this with you guys and you tried to fob me off.

I also queried the Halotestin that you sent me prior to my shoot last year. I've used Halo on numerous occasions and I am fully au fait with appropriate dosing and protocol. I worked my way up to pretty much double my normal dose with no results whatsoever. None of the extra workout aggression or hardness that I have always got with Halotestin previously.

Once again, I was fobbed off.

If you're happy to send free gear to people (reps included) to log for you - then please expect a full and frank review if what you send is substandard!

I will add though that I have never had any issue with any PSL oils - only orals.

 

[Onk]

Quality issues? Not a chance. We don't blindly send out batches without testing. We have human testers and Labs that we send our batches to before we release them. We make extremely large batches and if a batch of ANYTHING was bad, it would be popping up all over the place. We'd go down in flames. It's nearly impossible for just one pack of something to be bunk here and there....the whole batch would have to be bad and we'd be getting blown up about it.

Psl has been copping shit for years for poor quality control. Remember when psl first joined ology and a whole swag of vets got bunk gear and psl was flamed for months/years? I remember mountain running 2g of tren a week and showing bloods suggesting he was pinning straight oil. My psl dbol i ran up to 200mg a day when i cottoned on it was fake.

There's hundreds of bad reviews....it's why i figured your reps talk so much shit and make so many boring threads that say lots of words with no value...you want ppl to be distracted from the bad or make it seem miniscule.

 

[Onk]

Quality issues? Not a chance. We don't blindly send out batches without testing. We have human testers and Labs that we send our batches to before we release them. We make extremely large batches and if a batch of ANYTHING was bad, it would be popping up all over the place. We'd go down in flames. It's nearly impossible for just one pack of something to be bunk here and there....the whole batch would have to be bad and we'd be getting blown up about it.

Let's not forget you make all your posts bold so you stand out. You probably think you look authoritarian but it really makes you look like a pompous twat