Long blast/Cruise and HCG

[yeapyeap]

How do you guys think about using HCG when blast/crusing for a long time (maybe even staying on forever)?

I read so many different opinions on this one, which makes it hard for me to make a good decision.

I am thinking about blast/cruising in stead of just cycling, going off and recovering, hopping back on etc...
Maybe I will not even come off and stay on forever, but of course this is something you never know.

Basically my question is: Should I use HCG on cycle or not?
I know there are many different opinions on this one, but would like to hear a few more thoughts regarding this before I start.

The way I see it, as long as I am planning on going off, even after a few years, I should use HCG all cycle. (Also, I plan on making babies in a few years)
Then again, using it for years sounds wrong to me.

 

[Teutonic]

I m 52 and on trt too. I do not recommend staying on for more than a cycle as ur chances of trt ing forever are increased exponentially. Blasting and cruising is staying shuy down period. HCG use will not stave off the inevitability of a restart and returning to natty levels being less every month you stomp ur hpta s ass into dust.

I do hcg 3-4 times a year not always s. I don t recommend not using it if u want full boys in the sack, kids etc.

The 2 aforementioned are irrelevant to me. I got a kid.
2 big balls don't fit in many women s mouth as I like them petite and not simian in nature w elongated mandibles with noses wide and flat enuff to install a K N filter kit and such characteristics. No knuckle draggers in other words.

 

[Gainjin260]

"staying on, maybe forever" (AAS)
"Using it for years sounds wrong to me" (hcg)

This makes no sense. How old are you? Time to wake up to reality if you want to make babies some day. You could probably stay on forever and still not make the gains that many have naturally because you're looking only to cut corners and not do things right.

 

[yeapyeap]

"staying on, maybe forever" (AAS)
"Using it for years sounds wrong to me" (hcg)

This makes no sense. How old are you? Time to wake up to reality if you want to make babies some day. You could probably stay on forever and still not make the gains that many have naturally because you're looking only to cut corners and not do things right.

Why doesn't it make sense? Please explain.

I don't think anyone can say he will stay on forever. I'm just being realistic about it and want to make a good decision.
Anything can happen in life and you just don't know about the future, maybe there will be some point in life I cant afford it or I even end up in jail after 10 years of TRT. You just don't know.
Of course chances are small, but I'm just looking for the best choice for me.

Time to wake up to reality if I want to make babies some day? Guess you are uneducated about this part as well and just say random bullshit.
How do you know I would not make gains and for what reason am I looking to cut corners?

Not do things right? Alright whatever...

 

[Megatron28]

I think hCG should be a part of every cycle -- short or long. Why allow the Leydig cells to atrophy while on AAS? What is the benefit to atrophy?

 

[yeapyeap]

I think hCG should be a part of every cycle -- short or long. Why allow the Leydig cells to atrophy while on AAS? What is the benefit to atrophy?

I agree, however, theres still many people who advice to not take hCG when you go on for a long time and to only use it when you want to make babies (except for recovery from cycles).
Usually backed up by broscience though.

 

[Roush]

no matter how long the cycle/blast , use hcg if your plan is to make a full recovery of your hpta and get natty test levels to baseline.
if you don't care about full recovery of natty test, then don't use it .

its that simple

 

[copaseet]

I use HCG year round as part of my TRT protocol... And I use it in my blasts as well.

 

[3J]

you should run hcg, esp if you are trying to preserve fertility.. i would personally run 500iu twice a week.. here is an article i wrote that might help you out


[h=1]Testosterone Replacement Therapy ( TRT ) and Fertility Explained[/h]TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT April 6, 2016 developer

By 3J
Trt is an amazing advancement in men's health that has helped so many people all over the world. We are no longer stuck with the horrible effects of low testosterone. Though it is an amazing way to deal with low testosterone, it also comes with a price. Testosterone replacement therapy will leave you virtually infertile. This isn't a problem for those who have already had children, those who are older, or those who don't want to conceive, but for those who actually plan on having children trtcan be a major obstacle. The use of exogenous testosterone will always reduce a males sperm count to an infertile level. Imagine being married to a woman who has unequivocally denied ever wanting to have children. You spend years with this woman without a change of heart and, suddenly, she drops the I want a baby bomb on you. Having a child is a miracle of life, its a wonderful thing. What isn't wonderful is the fact that you had started trt years ago with your wife's adamant denial of having children in mind. You now face a major problem. You are obviously infertile thanks to your trt usage, but there is hope! Lets cover some basics.
The HPTA
The hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPTA) is a negative feedback loop system involving the hypothalamus, pituitary gland, and the gonads (testicles). Its main function in the body that concerns us in this article is the regulations of hormones which include testosterone and the development of sperm (spermatogenesis). In short, the hypothalamus releases a gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) which triggers the pituitary gland which directly affects the pituitary gland releasing the luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH). The LH's function is to signal the production of testosterone while the FSH signals the production of sperm. When testosterone is created in the body it is regulated by the aromatase enzyme. The male body likes to keep, roughly, a 10 to 1 ratio of testosterone to estrogen. When testosterone levels rise to a certain level the aromatase enzyme converts testosterone to estrogen. Estrogen, among other things, regulates the negative feedback loop in the HPTA by inhibiting the production of GnRH.

Lets review this system in simple terms​

HPTA
Hypothalamus -> GnRH -> Pituitary -> LH, FSH -> Gonads -> Testosterone, Spermatogenesis -> Hypothalamus +/- Estrogen = +/- GnRH
Its not just estrogen that will stop the loop. An excess of any of the hormones that play in the negative feedback loop could suppress the system. Hcg, which mimics the LH, is a perfect example.
TRT and Fertility
To the naked eye its obvious that estrogen is the main regulator of the HPTA in natural healthy males (there are other hormones involved that can suppress your hpta). When a subject begins a TRT protocol the exogenous presence of testosterone overrides the negative feedback loop. The pituitary stops sending LH and FSH to the gonads and the natural production of testosterone along with everything else the LH and FSH regulate shuts down. Since FSH is the main conductor of spermatogenesis and that system has been shut down, you become infertile.
Spermatogenesis
Spermatogenesis is the process and development of sperm. It begins within the gonads and moves to the epididymis where sperm is stored until ejaculation. The important fact to take away from spermatogenesis is that the duration of the entire process can take anywhere between 2 to 3 months.
hCG and hMG Solutions to infertility
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could somehow just skip half this feedback loop and regulate the production of testosterone and spermatogenesis exogenously? Thankfully we have two very valuable compounds, hCG (Human Chorionic Gonadrotropin) and hMG (Human Menopausal Gonadotropin). hCG is a hormone typically produced by the embryo following implantation (all pregnancy tests test for the presence of hCG in the female subjects urine). Through science we have been able to synthetically produce hCG. In males, the importance of hCG comes with its ability to mimic LH. Injecting hCG is the equivalent of the pituitary releasing LH and giving the gonads the signal to produce testosterone. The gonads go back to work, keeping your system from shutting down completely. Though hCG has no effect on FSH, it does have an effect on spermatogenesis. Though your system is shut down there is FSH lingering around in the body. Studies have shown that there is usually more than enough FSH in the body to cause a rise in a males sperm count enough to conceive. If the desired response from hCG is not met, the use of hMG is a more practical approach. hMG kicks both LH and FSH into gear and causes a considerable rise in sperm production. Keep in mind that the production of sperm takes up to 3 months to complete so the use of these medications have to be sustained for at least 3 months before you start to see the real benefit from them.
hCG Protocol
Ive read 3 different fertility specialists articles in the last month and each one had a different dosage and frequency of hCG injection that they preferred. Once said 600iu every other day, the second said 1500iu twice a week, and the last one surprisingly said 5000iu once a week

 

[Teutonic]

I agree, however, theres still many people who advice to not take hCG when you go on for a long time and to only use it when you want to make babies (except for recovery from cycles).
Usually backed up by broscience though.

So your making a life long commitment based on bro science as u clearly don t know enough to make a decision on car insurance.

I don t do it year long as I m 52...been at it f o r e v e r and just maintain..got my heir squared away.

You are still a puppy. Don t try to think like an old dog or ARGUE a point made by one yet. U ll lose in any direction u wanna take this thread except to accept what vet s and other members have told you, son.

 

[Milton]

always good to listen to the more senior members.

 

[luckypaul]

How do you guys think about using HCG when blast/crusing for a long time (maybe even staying on forever)?

I read so many different opinions on this one, which makes it hard for me to make a good decision.

I am thinking about blast/cruising in stead of just cycling, going off and recovering, hopping back on etc...
Maybe I will not even come off and stay on forever, but of course this is something you never know.

Basically my question is: Should I use HCG on cycle or not?
I know there are many different opinions on this one, but would like to hear a few more thoughts regarding this before I start.

The way I see it, as long as I am planning on going off, even after a few years, I should use HCG all cycle. (Also, I plan on making babies in a few years)
Then again, using it for years sounds wrong to me.

I have been on trt for years and never used HCG. As long as everything works, I'm g2g. My gf doesn't complain about my small balls. Nothing else shrank

 

[yeapyeap]

So your making a life long commitment based on bro science as u clearly don t know enough to make a decision on car insurance.

I don t do it year long as I m 52...been at it f o r e v e r and just maintain..got my heir squared away.

You are still a puppy. Don t try to think like an old dog or ARGUE a point made by one yet. U ll lose in any direction u wanna take this thread except to accept what vet s and other members have told you, son.

No, it's exactly the opposite. I don't want to make a life long commitment based on bro science, thats why I made this post, to listen to vets and do my research.

 

[yeapyeap]

no matter how long the cycle/blast , use hcg if your plan is to make a full recovery of your hpta and get natty test levels to baseline.
if you don't care about full recovery of natty test, then don't use it .

its that simple

Do you think there would still be a decent chance to recover after being on for ~4 years?


@3J Thanks! I will read it!