looking ahead for gaining, diet advise. Again :)

[chicmuscle]

okay. thanks all esp faye for guiding me on the right cutting path. like i said before, nutrition is my weak pillar. i have been training for years (specifically to stay strong for sports) but only as of late have i been concentrating on actually changing my physique.

some info before the question:

Goal: my goal next cycle is to gain at least 10 lbs of pure lean keepable body mass. i know that i will have to gain more than that because once the cycle is over, some gains will go too.

where would i like the mass? i would like the mass to be mostly in my upper body like the arms, back, lats and torso. my legs are pretty muscular already, "soccer-legs" if you know what i mean .

Supps to ASSIST my goal: deca durabolin, anavar, Winstrol (winny).

tenative schedule:
1. 50mg Deca durabolin (DD) per week w/ 5mg anavar per day (A)
2. 50mg DD w/ 10mg A ED
3. 50mg DD w/ 10mg A ED
4. 100mg DD w/ 10mg A ED
5. 100mg DD 5/ 5mg A ED
6. 100mgDD w/ 10-15mg winstrol (W) ED
7. 100mg DD w/ 10-15mg W ED
8. 50mg DD w/ 10-15mg W ED
??9-10 or12 ??

ive read that since deca is a long acting ester, it starts to work its 'magic' after i think it was 5 weeks or more. i would like to run a 10-12 week cycle, keep things kinda low and long.

Training- tenative: 4 days of weight lifting (sun-wed: kill myself. make myself wish i wasnt alive , thur-sat: rest, rest, rest)
1. all things legs
2. arms (bi and tri)
3. back and chest
4. all things delts (what i really would like to grow)
5. throw abs in there 3 times
6. 3 low intensity cardio sessions 20-30min, just to keep sane

DIET: (omega 3, multi m/v, MSM, creatine[maybe])
a for macronutrients, this is where im stuck, again. what should i eat to put on the lean body mass with as little extra fat as possible? i know its harder for females to accomplish this, but its always worth a try. if i have to throw down lots of meat, ill get over it . Whole foods is what i need to depend on, more.

i was thinking 2g protein per lbs, 1-1.5g complex carbs per lbs, moderate fat 20-30g. [between 2300-2600 cal]

Faye, how do you bulk up? maybe i can use it as a basis. my metabolism is mediocer.

sorry if i dont respond immediatly, usually when you post im at school or working. i get some free time usually later on i the day.

 

[Faye]

Question first!!! How many cycles have you done??

 

[chicmuscle]

one, test prop, Winstrol (winny), with liquidex. post cycle therapy (pct) nolva. i started out with a low dose of Winstrol (winny) for a few weeks, then tappered off because it was killing my joints. then i went on a low dose of test prop for the remainder. the cycle was very short. i made improvements in upper body strength and a few pounds of muscle gain. the problem with prop, is that about 3-5 hours after a shot, my thigh was crippled. i only shot in my thigh because i colud see both hands. also, when i was on it, my joints werent stiff, so walking lunges, squats were barable. i will use it again, but im going to make it, and with a lot lower BA, 3%.

 

[chicmuscle]

oh yeah, the only sides that i experience was a swollen ______. it went away after my cycle. my voice is naturally on the lower end, so there was no added cracking or extra lowering and no extra hair growth either

EDIT: i didnt gain as much as i wanted to. it all boils down to diet. i my training was pretty good. reps between 6-12 and every session i would ad on lbs. so, diet help would be awesome.

 

[Faye]

You did that many compound on your first cycle?? And did post cycle therapy (pct) with nolvadex?? Women don't need to do post cycle therapy (pct) because we don't make a whole lot of testosterone to begin with - and the rebound from nolvadex is pretty hard on women. Wow.

So, my advice is this - at least when you are just starting out, it's important to run just one compound at a time so you know which one is giving you what sides. Anti-e's aren't really necessary for women unless they are in the last stages of a contest prep.

Ususally, a good first (or second if you haven't done it already) is just plain Anavar run alone. 5 mg to start, then up 2.5 mg a week to 10 mg - wait and see how the sides are, then you can bump that up to 12.5 mg or 15 mg per day - but that is when most women start to see sides. Run this for about 12 weeks and you should see some nice results

Now, as far as putting on lbm. An average natural female bber, hitting the weights hard can expect to put on about 6 lbs of muscle in her first year, and 3 lbs the second. So, if you do a 12 week cycle of Var, and put on 3 lbs of quality lbm - your doing really well. Don't mess yourself up being in a hurry to get those muscles...it takes time, with or without the drugs.

 

[chicmuscle]

OH!! no i dont want to rush. i want to have patients with gaining muscle. the sides is what i definitly want to avoid. I liked the prop, i would have loved it if there was far less or no pain. i did gain strength in my upper body, i measured that with pull ups. started with 3 and went to 8. i CANT WAIT until i can do 20 nice and slow. then 30 then 40 then one million. HA HA!

on my first cycle i wanted to try var, but my funds wernt supporting me. i do want to try it for the next cycle and maybe a diuretic. i liked the effect that nolva does, but now that you tell me the rebound is aweful, i dont want to touch the stuff. what should a female do when they take test or deca or some steroid that aromatizes?

 

[ChicOnSwole]

Like Faye said, there is no need for females to do any type of post cycle therapy (pct). Nolva is a good tool in female bb pre-contest but not needed for your avg cycle.

What type of gains did you get from that cycle? What is your goal as far as weight bf%? You don't mind the fluid retention on deca right?

Like everyone has said you'd probably be better off at this point not running a cycle until you've given your body a chance to reach a plateau but if you insist on doing a cycle anyway, I agree that you should run anavar.

Just my .02

 

[Faye]

Test and Deca aren't for lightweights. I wouldn't go near either as I don't compete. Test and deca are known for their sides, and why risk it when there are other compounds out there that are "safer" in terms of side effects and don't cause the water retention that Test and Deca do.

As far as diruretics go - don't mess with those either. The H2O balance in you body is a delicate thing that you don't want to mess with too much. If you can't deal with the bloat from your cycles, maybe you should reconsider. A little bloat is part of doing a cycle - you shouldn't just take something else to cover up or mask the symptoms.

In my opinion, unless you are competeing, the list of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) any woman should be willing to try (and then only after many years of training and dedication and with full awareness of the consequences) are Anavar, Primobolan (if you can afford/find the real stuff), Winstrol (not for the beginner), and Nandrolone Phenylpropinate (fast acting Deca), and Test Prop.


Keep your first cycles simple. Don't stack compounds until you know what they do for you individually. Take it slow and low and see what you get. Above all, be patient and careful. To many women jump in both feet first and then end up with sides = regrets.

 

[chicmuscle]

Like Faye said, there is no need for females to do any type of post cycle therapy (pct). Nolva is a good tool in female bb pre-contest but not needed for your avg cycle.

What type of gains did you get from that cycle? What is your goal as far as weight bf%? You don't mind the fluid retention on deca right?

Like everyone has said you'd probably be better off at this point not running a cycle until you've given your body a chance to reach a plateau but if you insist on doing a cycle anyway, I agree that you should run anavar.

Just my .02

no im not going to runn a cycle know. right know im on a fat cutting cycle. i want to drop my BF to 15-12%. after that then ill get into doing my next cycle. i do want the rest and want to do it properly. no i dont mind water retention. it not forever so it will leave and hopefully great results may follow. the results i got from the cycle that i stated, i thought i posted the results, but anyways i gained about 5 lbs of mucle. my arm strength increased. i went from 3 pull ups to 8 straight, then i would do a few sets of pulls ups. my future goal is to do 20 nice and slow pullups. you see the pattern here? i want to gain all mass in my arms. all strength in my arm. i want to try proviron. it doesnt have the rebound effect of nolva, but it will help cut the estrogen deposits. any suggestions on that? anyways, thank you for writting me. i love it

you know, i need to find a avatar that suites my personality

chichy

 

[chicmuscle]

Test and Deca aren't for lightweights. I wouldn't go near either as I don't compete. Test and deca are known for their sides, and why risk it when there are other compounds out there that are "safer" in terms of side effects and don't cause the water retention that Test and Deca do.

As far as diruretics go - don't mess with those either. The H2O balance in you body is a delicate thing that you don't want to mess with too much. If you can't deal with the bloat from your cycles, maybe you should reconsider. A little bloat is part of doing a cycle - you shouldn't just take something else to cover up or mask the symptoms.

In my opinion, unless you are competeing, the list of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) any woman should be willing to try (and then only after many years of training and dedication and with full awareness of the consequences) are Anavar, Primobolan (if you can afford/find the real stuff), Winstrol (not for the beginner), and Nandrolone Phenylpropinate (fast acting Deca), and Test Prop.


Keep your first cycles simple. Don't stack compounds until you know what they do for you individually. Take it slow and low and see what you get. Above all, be patient and careful. To many women jump in both feet first and then end up with sides = regrets.

understood faye. i have other posts foating around about deca durabolin and durabolin. i think i will go with the fat acting durabolin like chelsea.

im 20, so patients is not my forte but that is my progect that im working on. im forcing myself to me patient. so far it has been working, i can tell when im around kids. but i still have issues with anxiety. i wonder if that is from extreme lack of patients? i will take it slow. but i like test prop, NOT THE PAIN THOUGH. i would like to compete, but then agiain i dont know. ill just wait for a few years and see where im at in terms of bodybuilding.

thank you for replying, i feel soooooooo loved

chichy

 

[Faye]

Chichy - Fast acting Deca would probably be a good choice!! I've never done it but I know a LOT of women who absolutely love it...good luck to you and keep us up to date

 

[chicmuscle]

sure will.

chichy