Maintaing post roids

[DemoSouthpaw]

Hello,

I will be starting my first 6week cycle on Monday. It will be a Dianabol only cycle. I've read up immensely on cycles post cycle therapy (pct) and stacking. I will be taking 20mg once a day in the morning an hour before working out. I am 5'8 weigh 165lbs and have been working out and dieting non-stop for a year, and worked out on and off for about 3 years prior to this. During this period I have seen good gains, but wish to amp it up just a tab w/out getting into injections. I've read plenty of articles and threads about D-bol being great stand alone, and being terrible unless stacked ect ect..

My question is the following, this steroid like any steriod will increase a hormone in my body (X) and allow me to achieve strength gains that would otherwise be genetically impossible in such a short time. Once my cycle is over, I will be left with what ever muscle I gained, however hormone X will not be at the same lvls as it was when on the steroid it will obviously drop and return to normal. How would it be possible to maintain the majority of my gains if I would be back at regular hormone levels.

Obviously increased food intake to compensate for my new earned mass, but is there more to this equation that I am not understanding.

Any feed back regarding this would be great thanks!

-Jonathan

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum.....

 

[Teutonic]

D bol only cyle is not a good idea.
90 percent of the gain s will piss out with cessation of the dbol ingestion..
Dbol only will crush your natural test..and with no exo test going in..your really doing yourself a disservice.
..and yes ..pct is needed after all cycle s unless your a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) guy..
Read some more ..injection s have a negative stigma..when you go to a doc for trt..it s in inject form...
i wish you well

 

[DemoSouthpaw]

Thanks for the advice but my question was not about the D-bol only cycle. Regardless, muscle is muscle wheater you gain it from test or D-bol, so why would it be bad? Anyways, I was hoping you could answer my question about maintaing my gains post roids.

Thanks for your input

 

[RA64]

Thanks for the advice but my question was not about the D-bol only cycle. Regardless, muscle is muscle wheater you gain it from test or D-bol, so why would it be bad? Anyways, I was hoping you could answer my question about maintaing my gains post roids.

Thanks for your input

Do some more research.

Running a Dbol only first cycle and wanting someone to spoon feed you all the answers,
isn’t going to happen.

 

[DemoSouthpaw]

I have done my research. But i cant seem to find a solid answer to how to maintain the gains. Most people say its in the post cycle therapy (pct) but what about after that? Again if your body is not producing the same amount of a hormone while on the roid, how will it maintain your gains once your hormone levels return to normal? <----Thats what i havnt been able to find on the web in solid form. Hence why I decided to post here.

 

[RJ]

Thanks for the advice but my question was not about the D-bol only cycle. Regardless, muscle is muscle wheater you gain it from test or D-bol, so why would it be bad? Anyways, I was hoping you could answer my question about maintaing my gains post roids.

Thanks for your input

It WILL be bad because you won't really gain any muscle from what you are taking. Most, if not all will be water, and some fat. If you do gain any muscle, it will probably be lost once you come off.

Besides, 20mg/d? You might as well just eat more and train naturally until you gain more muscle. 165lbs is wayyy too tiny in my opinion to be messing with AAS anyway. Not sure how old you are, but I can guarantee you can reach at least 190lbs naturally.

 

[Teutonic]

my bad..
Let s say you put on 12 pound s in 6 weeks of dbol..of which 80 - 90 percent is water..using .85 as a safe number you ll lose 10.2 pounds of your dbol gain s. 1.2 or so pound s of muscle gained..maybe..I m o...in my experience.
In my opinion d bol only gain s are not really that maintainable as it s water retention..ie converted test into estrogen..the amount of which varies to each person.
I take dbol sometimes..but honestly I do it FOR it s high conversion rate.. as that make s me feel better..an over all sense of well being and all that..you savvy ?
Hormone augmentation and pinphobia don t mix.

 

[DemoSouthpaw]

It WILL be bad because you won't really gain any muscle from what you are taking. Most, if not all will be water, and some fat. If you do gain any muscle, it will probably be lost once you come off.

Besides, 20mg/d? You might as well just eat more and train naturally until you gain more muscle. 165lbs is wayyy too tiny in my opinion to be messing with AAS anyway. Not sure how old you are, but I can guarantee you can reach at least 190lbs naturally.

Yeah I looked up the doses and I figured since it will be my 1st cycle ever I should start low dose and see how it goes. I will be drinking tons of water and increasing my protein intake considerably to try and retain as much muscle as possible. I know that water retention with this roid is common. Im 21 by the way, Ive gained about 5lbs since last year.

 

[DemoSouthpaw]

my bad..
Let s say you put on 12 pound s in 6 weeks of dbol..of which 80 - 90 percent is water..using .85 as a safe number you ll lose 10.2 pounds of your dbol gain s. 1.2 or so pound s of muscle gained..maybe..I m o...in my experience.
In my opinion d bol only gain s are not really that maintainable as it s water retention..ie converted test into estrogen..the amount of which varies to each person.
I take dbol sometimes..but honestly I do it FOR it s high conversion rate.. as that make s me feel better..an over all sense of well being and all that..you savvy ?
Hormone augmentation and pinphobia don t mix.

I see what you mean now. Thanks for shedding some light on this. Once again thanks for the info brotha.

 

[DADAWG]

you have to remember that a normal healthy male who takes testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) needs 100-200 mg a week of testosterone just to maintain a normal hormone level. your shutting down your natural test and only taking 140 mg a week. simple math says your cycle is not a good idea. spend that money on groceries.

 

[RJ]

Yeah I looked up the doses and I figured since it will be my 1st cycle ever I should start low dose and see how it goes. I will be drinking tons of water and increasing my protein intake considerably to try and retain as much muscle as possible. I know that water retention with this roid is common. Im 21 by the way, Ive gained about 5lbs since last year.

This advice is just to help you make an informed decision, but I feel your missing the point here. All the protein in the world isn't gonna make mush difference in what your trying to accomplish. Neither is water. Like Dawgie style said, you're actually going backwards a bit.

That being said, I know you have your mind set. Just be sure to have your post cycle therapy (pct) in place and watch your BP. Good luck

 

[numba1scrapper]

Is this a joke?

There is so much WRONG with this its not even funny.....LOLOL

Oral cycle only = NO

20mg of dbol ONCE a day = NO, 20mg is enough to do nothing but slowly shut your natural test levels down

Testosterone = muscle building, you are SHUTTING you natural Test down by taking something that wont do anything for you.. You might even gain LESS on this "cycle" then if you were 100% natural seeing how your shutting down the only thing that will help you gain lol.

 

[numba1scrapper]

buy some 200mg caffine pills and write dbol on the bottle and pretend its real Dianabol, I bet you'd gain more with that then 20mg dbol a day lol.

 

[RJ]

buy some 200mg caffine pills and write dbol on the bottle and pretend its real Dianabol, I bet you'd gain more with that then 20mg dbol a day lol.

Leave the young lad be Scrapper.... he's been working out and dieting NON STOP.

For a year no less. "D

 

[numba1scrapper]

lol

 

[DemoSouthpaw]

This is exactly why I posted this thread, numba1 thanks for the info. Makes sense so then my D-bol intake should be alot more than 20mg daily. Else the side effect of lowering my test would counter any gains on D-bol excellent!

Another thing Im not 10000% set on doing d-bol only thats why i posted here with some questions, obviously stacking it with test is what is recommended and now i see why.

My other question would be this then, how come in the 50's and 60's this product was used only-in conjunction with no other steroid and people saw good results? My understanding from D-bol is that is a very potent steroid and 1st time users might not have the discipline to make and keep solid gains ex: good diet/workout plan and post cycle therapy (pct). Hence the bad rep D-bol gets.

 

[DemoSouthpaw]

Leave the young lad be Scrapper.... he's been working out and dieting NON STOP.

For a year no less. "D

Lol yes i am a

Knowledge is passed down from the wise though.

 

[Teutonic]

Because it was the 50 s and 60 s. A lot has changed since then..
Get some test..your literally pissing in the wind..

 

[RJ]

This is exactly why I posted this thread, numba1 thanks for the info. Makes sense so then my D-bol intake should be alot more than 20mg daily. Else the side effect of lowering my test would counter any gains on D-bol excellent!

Another thing Im not 10000% set on doing d-bol only thats why i posted here with some questions, obviously stacking it with test is what is recommended and now i see why.

My other question would be this then, how come in the 50's and 60's this product was used only-in conjunction with no other steroid and people saw good results? My understanding from D-bol is that is a very potent steroid and 1st time users might not have the discipline to make and keep solid gains ex: good diet/workout plan and post cycle therapy (pct). Hence the bad rep D-bol gets.

truth is, no one knows what anyone is/was/will be doing, especially when it comes to the pros.

experience NOW will tell you that a dbol only cycle is just a waste of time. You may gain something, but why fuck with your natty test levels for an IF.

Quit fucking around. Get you some test. If you wanna keep the dbol, do 35mg/d as a kick start for the first 4 weeks. THEN you will have a cycle.