More Tren Ace then Test Enth per wk?

[THE-DET-OAK]

actually I have had, and seen more bloods then you could possibly in your lifetime, and I unlike you know exactly why running 100mgs a month is not a good idea.

On top of that your the moron that thinks test would beat tren to the receptor in the first place, or better said favor the test to begin with.

Your bark is much bigger than your bite

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Oh and if its common knowledge moderate doses (before it was mega doses according to you) of aas saturate AR ....where is that study ? I missed that post. LOL
I showed one showing how there is a CONSTANT production of AR. Hmmmmm

yes you did and your such a dumbass you then claimed it was exponential bwahahahaha

 

[Die$eL~Man]

Just because you can't find info on it does not mean it isn't true, but since I always come prepared when I post here is a study proving that tren is not only stronger, but has less harmful effect.



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So as far as which is better, minute doses of tren were as or more effective that supra-physiological doses of test............and safer

Now as far as "tren takes over test" what he was talking about is androgen receptor competition. Since tren binds to the AR with a much higher affinity, in theory those spaces could be used up by the tren leaving the testosterone no where to go. Some will argue we have plenty of receptors, but if tren is more powerful, why argue?

It is possible, so why set it up like that?

On top of that results and feedback have shown the results to be better, along with the above study.

Thanks for your time Jimi class is now dismissed

Excellent Post !

 

[JimiThing]

I started talking about this a year or two ago on the boards, everyone said I was crazy, now its seems almost everyone does it this way, and gets results with far less sides.

^^^^^THIS is comical LOL.

Just lower your head and leave..entering the thread like a lion and leaving like a lamb..because when push comes to shove , no matter what , when you lay your head down on the pillow tonight, even though you did your best to defend the BS that that moron posted ...you yourself will KNOW I was right. Dont come at me gain like you did..or you will look 10x the fool you did here ....I promise you.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

^^^^^THIS is comical LOL.

Just lower your head and leave..entering the thread like a lion and leaving like a lamb..because when push comes to shove , no matter what , when you lay your head down on the pillow tonight, even though you did your best to defend the BS that that moron posted ...you yourself will KNOW I was right. Dont come at me gain like you did..or you will look 10x the fool you did here ....I promise you.

come at you again? i don't know who you think you are but number one you haven't proven a thing to me except that you just regurgitate things that you have no clue about, on top of that you have the audacity to call me a fool yet post nothing of substance, and then you threaten me?

You have lost your fucking mind, I have been away from this forum for a while, I will no longer make it so, I promise YOU my friend I will follow you around everyday from here on out and chase down every single one of your post's, trust me when I say your not the first asshole to come to MY board and act like a fool, so you will not be the first one to run from from this board with your tail between your legs and you most certainly wont be the last.

BTW I saw your telling people Prami is better than caber? Bwaahahahahahaa

On a more serious note, maybe you will understand what I mean by spending a month reading the following study over and over, and why there are no studies on what we are talking about!!!!!!

Studies in AAS-using human subjects as well as experimental model systems have refuted the decades-old assertion that suprapharmacologic dose regimens of AAS are not anabolic in normal men or are only anabolic due to the impact of their CNS effects on motivation to train. The physiopathology of suprapharmacologic doses of AAS is clearly demonstrated and predicted by the beneficial effects on the same systems when AAS are used in hypogonadal men. However, there has been surprisingly little work on the mechanism by which these suprapharmacologic doses exert their actions or on pharmacologic strategies to distinguish beneficial (anabolic) effects from pathologic side effects on brain and heart. The recent demonstration of clinical benefits of suprapharmacologic regimens (Bhasin et al., 1996,1997,1999,2001) suggests that such developments could be clinically beneficial. A recent review proposed the potential value of exploring the possible tissue specificity of protein regulators of androgen receptor function, comparable to those which have been exploited so successfully in the development of selective estrogen receptor modulators (Negro-Vilar, 1999).

Anabolic Steroids -- Kuhn 57 (1): 411 -- Recent Progress in Hormone Research

 

[JimiThing]

come at you again? i don't know who you think you are but number one you haven't proven a thing to me stick around

You have lost your fucking mind, I have been away from this forum for a while, I will no longer make it so, I promise YOU my friend I will follow you around everyday from here on out and chase down every single one of your post's, trust me when I say your not the first asshole to come to MY board LOL oh hrist now its your board ..fuck me LOL and act like a fool, so you will not be the first one to run from from this board with your tail between your legs and you most certainly wont be the last.

BTW I saw your telling people Prami is better than caber? Bwaahahahahahaa

On a more serious note, maybe you will understand what I mean by spending a month reading the following study over and over, and why there are no studies on what we are talking about!!!!!!

Anyone have any studies on AR saturation ??LOL
You see you magically keep gaining after receptors are "saturated" we just dont know how .... i mean we know for example e2 not bound to say oh a receptor in breast tissue exerts oh say zero impact on breast tissue. Yet somehow magically , steroids not bound to receptors induce massive gains. Go f ing figure. Itsa n anomaly. Of course there are no studies on receptor saturation even though it occurs at Moderate or wait is it mega doses...hmm i think it was both depending on your ever changing argument. You are a total fraud bro....i HOPE you follow me around ....

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

and also from the same link

However, it often is asserted that comparable effects are not observed in men with normal gonadal function because androgen receptors are saturated at physiologic levels of testosterone.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Anyone have any studies on AR saturation ??LOL
You see you magically keep gaining after receptors are "saturated" we just dont know how .... i mean we know for example e2 not bound to say oh a receptor in breast tissue exerts oh say zero impact on breast tissue. Yet somehow magically , steroids not bound to receptors induce massive gains. Go f ing figure. Itsa n anomaly. Of course there are no studies on receptor saturation even though it occurs at Moderate or wait is it mega doses...hmm i think it was both depending on your ever changing argument. You are a total fraud bro....i HOPE you follow me around ....

maybe if you read what i posted you would realize the info is right in front of your eyes, I have already explained that just because AR gets saturated does not mean gains stop, in plain english and you still didnt fucking understand it

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

No the problem is you dont fucking understand what your trying to say, you are regurgitating what other people have posted and trying to make it seem like you understand it, when you don't.

It is common knowledge that most of your AR's are saturated with even moderate doses of AAS, your theory is pointing to the fact that bodybuilders gain in a dose dependent matter, but where your mistaken is why they still make gains when increasing AAS dose.

Now most will argue it is AAS non AR mediating effects that cause growth even after saturation, bottomline it is unclear exactly why.

This does not disprove my point all along though, that when saturation occurs, since tren will compete for for the receptor and win, kind of how a SERM competes with estrogen and wins, that the testosterone will be left in the blood stream and have a higher chance of converting to estrogen, and giving more side effects!!!!!! No one said you wouldn't gain more, but at the sacrifice of extremely high circulating estrogen!!!! but I wouldn't expect you to understand because as I said before you are just parroting information that has no value to this argument!!!!!!!!!

as I said before, you are no huckleberry, and you still havent explained why 100mg of test a month is bad for you lololol, this time try saying something in your own words!!!!!!!!

and again cause you missed it the first time

Your pathetic argument keeps pointing to dose dependent gains, and I have already covered that!!!!! Your just too dumb to get it

 

[brownchoclit]

man you guys lost me on page 1 ... :-/

 

[JimiThing]

and again cause you missed it the first time

Your pathetic argument keeps pointing to dose dependent gains, and I have already covered that!!!!! Your just too dumb to get it

Stop telling me what my argument comes down too. If Im dumb then you are straight retarded.Hell you change your argument and claims every other post because your trying to defend some morons bs post.
He posted taking 100mgs test / month ..i said its stupid and could be harmful. - Im right.
He said and I quote " tren will take over the receptors and boot the test out". I said that stupid and not how it works. Again Im right.
You come in here trying to be some big bad ass coming at me..but the bottom line is ..Im right. You know it. Dont tell me what my argument is- cause you have no clue. There is nothing to argue as I said. Your being an egomaniacal jackass that claims to have invented test lower than tren (LOL) and says "if it costs more its better" LOL
You are a fraud , I know it. Dont come at me with your BS ..I see right through it and anyone that knows anything will not be fooled by your BS either. Thats what scares me , it seems some people here actually believe that you know wtf you are talking about. F-ing scarey.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Stop telling me what my argument comes down too. If Im dumb then you are straight retarded.Hell you change your argument and claims every other post because your trying to defend some morons bs post.
He posted taking 100mgs test / month ..i said its stupid and could be harmful. - Im right.
He said and I quote " tren will take over the receptors and boot the test out". I said that stupid and not how it works. Again Im right.
You come in here trying to be some big bad ass coming at me..but the bottom line is ..Im right. You know it. Dont tell me what my argument is- cause you have no clue. There is nothing to argue as I said. Your being an egomaniacal jackass that claims to have invented test lower than tren (LOL) and says "if it costs more its better" LOL
You are a fraud , I know it. Dont come at me with your BS ..I see right through it and anyone that knows anything will not be fooled by your BS either. Thats what scares me , it seems some people here actually believe that you know wtf you are talking about. F-ing scarey.

Listen I know exactly what you did and thats why I defended him, you were using his words to make yourself look superior, even that what he said had some substance, even though he did not know how to explain, I know what he meant cause I was the first to post it here, i never said I invented, i merely brought up the debate and tried it.

I like your comment on the 100mg of test "I'm right" yea maybe but you don't even know why lol

and for the record that low of a dose would not be harmful for short amounts of time, just like supra doses of AAS are not harmful in short periods of time, or life threatening like you made it seem lol

The whole bro lore myth of tren only killing your sex drive is pretty much a myth, tren will most likely increase your sex drive, its when you come off is the problem. Simply because your body has not made DHT in a while, you not only have to wait for the HPGA to come back to function, but for DHT conversion to ramp back up as well.

Sooooooooo even though you were somewhat right, you still don't know what the hell your talking about lol

 

[Robbinthehood]

Y'all need to not get so offended when someone disagrees. It isn't a personal attack

 

[JimiThing]

Listen I know exactly what you did and thats why I defended him, you were using his words to make yourself look superior, even that what he said had some substance, even though he did not know how to explain, I know what he meant cause I was the first to post it here, i never said I invented, i merely brought up the debate and tried it.

I like your comment on the 100mg of test "I'm right" yea maybe but you don't even know why lol

and for the record that low of a dose would not be harmful for short amounts of time, just like supra doses of AAS are not harmful in short periods of time, or life threatening like you made it seem lol

The whole bro lore myth of tren only killing your sex drive is pretty much a myth, tren will most likely increase your sex drive, its when you come off is the problem. Simply because your body has not made DHT in a while, you not only have to wait for the HPGA to come back to function, but for DHT conversion to ramp back up as well.

Sooooooooo even though you were somewhat right, you still don't know what the hell your talking about lol

Did you really think I owed you an explaination as to why that low a dose of test was foolish? Its so fvcking common sense who the fvck are you to come t me acting like im wrong in the name of justice. 15 minutes of reading and the dude would know why. Your a moron. Next time you pull the white knight shit you will be embarrassed my friend. You will see just how much I know what Im talking bout.

BTW you attempted to defend an idiot telling people advice that is highly detrimental...way to go !!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Did you really think I owed you an explaination as to why that low a dose of test was foolish? Its so fvcking common sense who the fvck are you to come t me acting like im wrong in the name of justice. 15 minutes of reading and the dude would know why. Your a moron. Next time you pull the white knight shit you will be embarrassed my friend. You will see just how much I know what Im talking bout.

BTW you ateempted to defend an idiot telling people advice that is highly detrimental...way to go !!

You claim to be a know it all but you don't even know why low test is not a wise move, IMO it actually has more to do with estrogen than the test itself but hey, you don't owe me an explanation, I can tell your a guru with your bro lore bullshit so I will stop questioning you

 

[JimiThing]

Dumbass I know exactly why. Shit this is like steroid 101 and you act like its some big complicated thing. The best way to mediate sides ...is control e2. Lower test - lower e2..lower e2 ..easier to mange. Less sides. Estrogen is your primary concern. You need to read my post history bro. I have posted EXTENSIVELY on estrogen / prolactin / supposed progestin effects on prolactin ....

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Dumbass I know exactly why. Shit this is like steroid 101 and you act like its some big complicated thing. The best way to mediate sides ...is control e2. Lower test - lower e2..lower e2 ..easier to mange. Less sides. Estrogen is your primary concern. You need to read my post history bro. I have posted EXTENSIVELY on estrogen / prolactin / supposed progestin effects on prolactin ....

I still wanna hear it bro, why is low test bad ?

 

[JimiThing]

You need test to function properly. You need a certain amount of e2 to function properly (obviously corrolates to test). 100mgs/month is enough to shut you down , but not enough to provide your body with the androgen or estrogen levels it needs to function in a healthy manner. There are many effects like lethargy, low sex drive blahb lahb blah but lets talk numbers...lets talk lipid profile , lets talk immune system function things of that nature that e2 plays a crucial role in.
Shall I continue ?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

You need test to function properly. You need a certain amount of e2 to function properly (obviously corrolates to test). 100mgs/month is enough to shut you down , but not enough to provide your body with the androgen or estrogen levels it needs to function in a healthy manner. There are many effects like lethargy, low sex drive blahb lahb blah but lets talk numbers...lets talk lipid profile , lets talk immune system function things of that nature that e2 plays a crucial role in.
Shall I continue ?

So if someone were to do that for say 2-3 months all those things would go to hell and never come back? you do realize that all those symptoms can also be associated with supra physiological doses of testosterone right?

So my question is why do you advocate cycling, yet tell someone "they are endangering people by saying 100 mg a month"

On top of that I wouldn't be so sure 100mg would shut him down, unless he is Asian.............but the tren would so........................

its unfair to ask someone to "show me a study or its not true" many of these drugs were not meant for the way we use them, so its very hard to "prove" everything, that doesn't mean its incorrect.

Bottom line you were picking on the new guy, not cool

 

[JimiThing]

So if someone were to do that for say 2-3 months all those things would go to hell and never come back? you do realize that all those symptoms can also be associated with supra physiological doses of testosterone right?

So my question is why do you advocate cycling, yet tell someone "they are endangering people by saying 100 mg a month"

On top of that I wouldn't be so sure 100mg would shut him down, unless he is Asian.............but the tren would so........................

No one said anything about not coming back.
I realize almost all those things are manageable sides on a cycle, manageable in almost every aspect i mentioned. Not a luxury you would have at 100mgs test/month. The shutdown would prob depend on administration breakdown or all at once etc ....
There are emotional aspect to his game as well as physical. You should be well aware of the hormonal impact on things like mood, well being etc. Months of physical issues/imbalances combined with potential emotional issue yeah I think its dangerous to advise omeone to take 100mgs test/month. Without a doubt. If not dangerous EXTREMELY stupid.