More Tren Ace then Test Enth per wk?

[THE-DET-OAK]

No one said anything about not coming back.
I realize almost all those things are manageable sides on a cycle, manageable in almost every aspect i mentioned. Not a luxury you would have at 100mgs test/month. The shutdown would prob depend on administration breakdown or all at once etc ....
There are emotional aspect to his game as well as physical. You should be well aware of the hormonal impact on things like mood, well being etc. Months of physical issues/imbalances combined with potential emotional issue yeah I think its dangerous to advise omeone to take 100mgs test/month. Without a doubt. If not dangerous EXTREMELY stupid.

he will be on Tren, its not like he was suggesting it alone. talk about hormonal imbalances, he is injecting the strongest androgen on the planet, the hormonal shift in testosterone is going to be the least of his worries.

Your making that a huge deal while condoning tren lol chubaca is a wookie, your not making any sense lol

which is my point to begin with, you were just picking on him, and kept saying "there is no such thing as androgen receptor competition"

Like I said earlier, there are many many guys that do tren only cycles and report high libido and a sense of well being, its the the recovery that will be harder, but its gonna be hard from the tren alone. So basically you were splitting hairs, with a new guy, to make yourself look superior, and THEN you told me you were gonna run me out of here lol

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

and by the way they have studied the 100mg dose 2x that I am aware of, for birth control, and guess what? No one died.............

A pill for men? No, they just need a jab in the bottom | Mail Online

and another time on caucasian in the 70's in which it was only 70% effective, but i cant find the link right now.

 

[JimiThing]

he will be on Tren, its not like he was suggesting it alone. talk about hormonal imbalances, he is injecting the strongest androgen on the planet, the hormonal shift in testosterone is going to be the least of his worries.

Your making that a huge deal while condoning tren lol chubaca is a wookie, your not making any sense lol

which is my point to begin with, you were just picking on him, and kept saying "there is no such thing as androgen receptor competition"

Like I said earlier, there are many many guys that do tren only cycles and report high libido and a sense of well being, its the the recovery that will be harder, but its gonna be hard from the tren alone. So basically you were splitting hairs, with a new guy, to make yourself look superior, and THEN you told me you were gonna run me out of here lol

I told him that because i thought it was shitty advice and didnt want anyone to do it. Only someone that would do what you just said , would even think it.

 

[JimiThing]

and by the way they have studied the 100mg dose 2x that I am aware of, for birth control, and guess what? No one died.............

A pill for men? No, they just need a jab in the bottom | Mail Online

and another time on caucasian in the 70's in which it was only 70% effective, but i cant find the link right now.

No one ever said that either.God your an idiot. I guess thats the immature shit you have to resort to when someone says something thats correct but you wanna use it too look like the white knight saving the poor retartd dishing out the shitty advice some may just take. But hey who cares - he wont die..and there are worse things he can do . If this is "your board" as you say you should be a little more responsible , stop lying about shit you invented and saying stupid things. ou need to realize we can all learn from onr another...you arent here to soley be the teacher. I mean christ :
Keep posting your pearls of wisdom like " I invented tren higher than test but everyone laughed " and "it costs more so it must be better" you arrogant moron. I'll keep posting the real deal.

 

[JimiThing]

and by the way they have studied the 100mg dose 2x that I am aware of, for birth control, and guess what? No one died.............

A pill for men? No, they just need a jab in the bottom | Mail Online

and another time on caucasian in the 70's in which it was only 70% effective, but i cant find the link right now.

No one ever said that either.God your an idiot. I guess thats the immature shit you have to resort to when someone says something thats correct but you wanna use it too look like the white knight saving the poor retard dishing out the shitty advice some may just take. But hey who cares - he wont die..and there are worse things he can do . If this is "your board" as you say you should be a little more responsible , stop lying about shit you invented and saying stupid things. You need to realize we can all learn from one another...you aren't here to solely be the teacher. I mean christ :
Keep posting your pearls of wisdom like " I invented tren higher than test but everyone laughed " and "it costs more so it must be better" and "this is my board" you arrogant moron. I'll keep posting the real deal.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

hey bro, you just keep posting the real deal

but I feel like you promote the shit out them. Almost like your makin money off them lol

people around here are really picking up on it!

 

[Do you even Lift]

I agree with jimithing, while he may be coming on strong some new guys could be reading your posts the-det-oak and consider running cycles without test as a base because of the way you are putting things across. Sounds like both of you guys are just mad and want to get one over each other aha.

 

[JimiThing]

Sorry i was bussy clearing out all the likes and reputation im getting from this thread.
Anyway I think you should be reading this and learning some facts so you can stop making stupid comments and lies like " its my board" and " I invented test higher than tren" and "it must be better it costs more" ...*LOL*...Brilliant stuff there..you should be proud.

Anyway read this veryyy slowly. The man was a genius.

Karl Hofman


Although reported half-lives and production rates of the androgen receptor (AR) vary somewhat according to the cells examined, the values reported in the abstract below are fairly typical. In the absence of androgen the AR has a half-life of about 3 hours. This means that after 3 hours 50% of the androgen receptors initially present have been degraded and replaced with new androgen receptors. In the presence of ligand, the half life of the AR is extended to over 6 hours and the production rate of new AR was almost doubled.
Androgen receptors do not fill up. They are constantly being produced, enzymatically degraded, and replaced with new receptors.

J Biol Chem. 1985 Jan 10;260(1):455-61.
Mechanism of androgen-receptor augmentation. Analysis of receptor synthesis and degradation by the density-shift technique.
Syms AJ, Norris JS, Panko WB, Smith RG.
The ductus deferens smooth muscle tumor cell line (DDT1MF-2) contains receptors for, and is stimulated by, androgens. Cells cultured in the absence of androgens maintain a basal level of androgen receptors. Following incubation with various concentrations of the synthetic androgen methyltrienolone (R1881) for 1-6 h, the concentration of these receptors increased from 6.0 to 12.2 fmol/micrograms of DNA, while the equilibrium dissociation constant (Kd) of 0.5 nM for this steroid remained unchanged. The steroid-induced increase in androgen receptor levels was specific for androgens and dependent upon protein synthesis. The mechanism of receptor augmentation was examined by utilization of isotopically dense amino acids to determine rates of receptor appearance and degradation in the presence or absence of [3H]R1881. In the absence of androgens, the half-life of the androgen receptor was 3.1 h, with a rate constant (kD) of 0.22/h. In the presence of 1 nM [3H]R1881, however, the half-life was 6.6 h, with kD = 0.11/h. The rate constant for receptor synthesis (ks) in the absence or presence of [3H]R1881 was calculated to be 1.35 and 2.23 fmol/micrograms of DNA/h, respectively. Thus, androgen-induced androgen-receptor augmentation is explained by an increase both in receptor half-life and in rates of receptor synthesis.


Your welcome ....
Buh Bye ...

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I agree with jimithing, while he may be coming on strong some new guys could be reading your posts the-det-oak and consider running cycles without test as a base because of the way you are putting things across. Sounds like both of you guys are just mad and want to get one over each other aha.

a lot of people run tren without test, as a matter of fact I can think of a couple reasons why someone would do it.

Jimmi doesnt have a fucking clue what he is talking about, he is simply parroting information that he has read and assuming its true, there is nothing worse in my mind than a parrot who goes around head strong telling people what to do without doing any research for himself.

The Op wasnt that far off, there would be nothing wrong with running tren with a dose of say 200mg a month, as a matter of fact 50mg a week of cypionate will put most people in the 500 TT range.

But that wasn't even the real argument, I simply ask him that cause I knew he had no clue what he was talking about, the original debate was a matter of androgen receptor competition, in which he has dismissed multiple times without even providing so much as an explanation.

So he is not right, he doesn't understand it and is just another guy doing what he "thinks" is right, which is all fine and dandy, the problem is when he starts attacking others with his bro lore bullshit.

So to you he looks right, since everything I have proved him wrong about he has moved the discussion away from, and now he is clinging to the 100mg a month thing cause thats the last thing he has got, and I promise you it is far from dangerous.

The study I posted before is a study evaluating the efficacy of tren in a TRT setting, and as a matter of fact anything test can do tren does better, so his reasoning for not doing just a 100mg a month of test is also way off base!!!!!!

He is the farthest from being correct!!!!!!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Sorry i was bussy clearing out all the likes and reputation im getting from this thread.
Anyway I think you should be reading this and learning some facts so you can stop making stupid comments and lies like " its my board" and " I invented test higher than tren" and "it must be better it costs more" ...*LOL*...Brilliant stuff there..you should be proud.

Anyway read this veryyy slowly. The man was a genius.

Karl Hofman


Although reported half-lives and production rates of the androgen receptor (AR) vary somewhat according to the cells examined, the values reported in the abstract below are fairly typical. In the absence of androgen the AR has a half-life of about 3 hours. This means that after 3 hours 50% of the androgen receptors initially present have been degraded and replaced with new androgen receptors. In the presence of ligand, the half life of the AR is extended to over 6 hours and the production rate of new AR was almost doubled.
Androgen receptors do not fill up. They are constantly being produced, enzymatically degraded, and replaced with new receptors.

J Biol Chem. 1985 Jan 10;260(1):455-61.
Mechanism of androgen-receptor augmentation. Analysis of receptor synthesis and degradation by the density-shift technique.
Syms AJ, Norris JS, Panko WB, Smith RG.
The ductus deferens smooth muscle tumor cell line (DDT1MF-2) contains receptors for, and is stimulated by, androgens. Cells cultured in the absence of androgens maintain a basal level of androgen receptors. Following incubation with various concentrations of the synthetic androgen methyltrienolone (R1881) for 1-6 h, the concentration of these receptors increased from 6.0 to 12.2 fmol/micrograms of DNA, while the equilibrium dissociation constant (Kd) of 0.5 nM for this steroid remained unchanged. The steroid-induced increase in androgen receptor levels was specific for androgens and dependent upon protein synthesis. The mechanism of receptor augmentation was examined by utilization of isotopically dense amino acids to determine rates of receptor appearance and degradation in the presence or absence of [3H]R1881. In the absence of androgens, the half-life of the androgen receptor was 3.1 h, with a rate constant (kD) of 0.22/h. In the presence of 1 nM [3H]R1881, however, the half-life was 6.6 h, with kD = 0.11/h. The rate constant for receptor synthesis (ks) in the absence or presence of [3H]R1881 was calculated to be 1.35 and 2.23 fmol/micrograms of DNA/h, respectively. Thus, androgen-induced androgen-receptor augmentation is explained by an increase both in receptor half-life and in rates of receptor synthesis.


Your welcome ....
Buh Bye ...

and then he post's shit like this ^^^^ which has nothing to do with his argument whatsoever, I never once tried to say that AR up reg does not happen, it is actually common knowledge. I actually posted a very nice read that explains FULLY what he cant comprehend, and references most of the studies he is digging up! he is so dumb though he didnt ever realize it lololol

The point ive made, many times, is it doesn't disprove anything I said, and the reason he keeps posting it is because like I said earlier he doesn't understand what he is posting himself, I have clarified this multiple times in this thread and even provided evidence for my argument, but it is way over his head, so he just keeps posting the same thing over and over and over.

Don't get fooled by guys like Jimmi, he has no idea about the studies he is referencing.

No the problem is you dont fucking understand what your trying to say, you are regurgitating what other people have posted and trying to make it seem like you understand it, when you don't.

It is common knowledge that most of your AR's are saturated with even moderate doses of AAS, your theory is pointing to the fact that bodybuilders gain in a dose dependent matter, but where your mistaken is why they still make gains when increasing AAS dose.

Now most will argue it is AAS non AR mediating effects that cause growth even after saturation, bottomline it is unclear exactly why.

This does not disprove my point all along though, that when saturation occurs, since tren will compete for for the receptor and win, kind of how a SERM competes with estrogen and wins, that the testosterone will be left in the blood stream and have a higher chance of converting to estrogen, and giving more side effects!!!!!! No one said you wouldn't gain more, but at the sacrifice of extremely high circulating estrogen!!!! but I wouldn't expect you to understand because as I said before you are just parroting information that has no value to this argument!!!!!!!!!

as I said before, you are no huckleberry, and you still havent explained why 100mg of test a month is bad for you lololol, this time try saying something in your own words!!!!!!!!

 

[JimiThing]

a lot of people run tren without test, as a matter of fact I can think of a couple reasons why someone would do it.

Jimmi doesnt have a fucking clue what he is talking about, he is simply parroting information that he has read and assuming its true, there is nothing worse in my mind than a parrot who goes around head strong telling people what to do without doing any research for himself. I have more of a clue than you ever will. You know what worse in my mind..some moron that comes in for the sake of argument and makes a stupid ass foolish idea like 100mgs of test/month sound like a good one with no regard for the newbs that have no idea and just might do it. Irresponsible fool

The Op wasnt that far off, there would be nothing wrong with running tren with a dose of say 200mg a month, as a matter of fact 50mg a week of cypionate will put most people in the 500 TT range.
Dumbass our entire argument wasnt about the OP's post ..it was about the reatrds post that said run 100mgs test/month *LOL so clueless
But that wasn't even the real argument, I simply ask him that cause I knew he had no clue what he was talking about, the original debate was a matter of androgen receptor competition, in which he has dismissed multiple times without even providing so much as an explanation.

So he is not right, he doesn't understand it and is just another guy doing what he "thinks" is right, which is all fine and dandy, the problem is when he starts attacking others with his bro lore bullshit.

So to you he looks right, Because I am since everything I have proved him wrong about he has moved the discussion away from, and now he is clinging to the 100mg a month thing cause thats the last thing he has got, and I promise you it is far from dangerous.

The study I posted before is a study evaluating the efficacy of tren in a TRT setting, and as a matter of fact anything test can do tren does better, so his reasoning for not doing just a 100mg a month of test is also way off base!!!!!! really because thats about the 5th thing you have changed in your argument in attempt not to look like a fool...a losing battle i might add

He is the farthest from being correct!!!!!! Are you taking your ball and going home? Does that mean you won? Im farther from beuing correct thtan you are so i lose ? LOL ..grow up

See bold....

Don't get fooled by guys like Jimmi, he has no idea about the studio he is referencing.

First of it was a study I was referencing..not a studio.
Second of all I have more of an idea on the subject of aas use than you aparently ever will.
Third I think its hilarious that a guy who says shit like " its more expensive so it must be better" and " I invented test higher than tren" and "its my board" says dont get fooled by guys like me *LOL
Just step off ..you already look like the fool that you are ...
Go claim to have invented more shit that people have been doing for years ....

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

This whole post is ridiculous man. Tren wont t "take over" shit. Also 100mgs test/month wont even replace your natural production of test.
I agree its fine to run test lower. I do it all the time.
This post is off the mark though. You should read up a bit before passing this info on. You could hurt someone.

Not a clue to be found ......
Look bro it doesnt work that way.
what do you think there are like 500 receptors ansd the test and tren have a race and becuase tren is stronger it wins? Get a grip man.

Don't try and back peddle, this is what you were arguing, that there is no such thing of androgen receptor competition.

"tren is stronger so it wins"

^^^^^ yes dumbass thats how it works!!!!!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

This whole post is ridiculous man. Tren wont t "take over" shit. Also 100mgs test/month wont even replace your natural production of test.
I agree its fine to run test lower. I do it all the time.
This post is off the mark though. You should read up a bit before passing this info on. You could hurt someone.

See bold....



First of it was a study I was referencing..not a studio.
Second of all I have more of an idea on the subject of aas use than you aparently ever will.
Third I think its hilarious that a guy who says shit like " its more expensive so it must be better" and " I invented test higher than tren" and "its my board" says dont get fooled by guys like me *LOL
Just step off ..you already look like the fool that you are ...
Go claim to have invented more shit that people have been doing for years ....

Your attacks are futile and shameless.

 

[JimiThing]

Don't try and back peddle, this is what you were arguing, that there is no such thing of androgen receptor competition.

"tren is stronger so it wins"

^^^^^ yes dumbass thats how it works!!!!!

Ahh yet more clueless misinformation. Keep going. I like it when you dig the stupidity hole deeper and deeper ....

And talk about back peddling LOL ...your the pro ...should i cut and paste the 5 or 6 times you contradicted yourself in attempt to try to "win" a foolish endeavor in the first place you irresponsible fool.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Ahh yet more clueless misinformation. Keep going. I like it when you dig the stupidity hole deeper and deeper ....

And talk about back peddling LOL ...your the pro ...should i cut and paste the 5 or 6 times you contradicted yourself in attempt to try to "win" a foolish endeavor in the first place you irresponsible fool.

another post condemning me, yet not actually refuting ANYTHING I said......................................

I have dealt with many guys like you on the boards Jimmi, I unlike the newbies, can see right through your bullshit.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I love how you keep posting studies on AR up reg but you can't even come up with an argument to go with it!!!!

Why is that? cause you don't even fucking understand what your posting!!!!!!!! Talk about irresponsible.

 

[JimiThing]

I love how you keep posting studies on AR up reg but you can't even come up with an argument to go with it!!!!

Oh sorry ..I was under the impression you could fvcking read..i mean seeing as you invented shit and subscribe to such wise adages as "it costs more so it must be better" i figured you were literate. Sorry.

So i wont let this turn into a whoever posts last wins. Thats for sure. Im done. Its pretty apparent to me (and apparently many others) who the fool is here ..and its you.
Id encourage you to be more responsible when trying to play the big bad enforcer guy of the forum. Always consider when you advocate stupid shit just for the sake of argument , and argue it to the death, there may be a newb that has no clue and actually believes it and does it. Who wins then idiot?
Irresponsible , ignorant and do i really need to quote 3 of the outright stupidest posts i have ever seen that you made for like the third time.
Take your ball and go home. Remember im "farthest from being right !" *LOL* .... child ...

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

as i suspected, tuck tail and run like a bitch, don't worry when I get 5 minutes I will lay out an outline of all the things that you spouted off the top of your head that were wrong, and also point out all the things I said that you didn't even respond to, in order to make it seem like you somehow proved everyone wrong, when you didnt.

You havent shown me anything in this thread except that your like every other parrot that roams the boards looking for newbies to prey on in order to make yourself look superior, yet when you get called on your bro lore you can't even answer the questions posed for you.

Have a nice day dipshit, and don't worry I will spending a LOT more time in here so I am sure I will have a post of yours to mock daily with the way your spewing bro lore on everyone...............

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Oh sorry ..I was under the impression you could fvcking read...

yea I can read, I also responded to each study you posted, explaining that AR up reg does not disprove AR competition, yet you didn't respond once, thats cause you can't lololololol

Let me see if I can help you with your argument, so your saying that there is no AR competition because of AR up reg?

amirite?

So basically your saying AR up reg is exponential?

amirite?

 

[JimiThing]

yea I can read, I also responded to each study you posted, explaining that AR up reg does not disprove AR competition, yet you didn't respond once, thats cause you can't lololololol

Based on the bodies response (as clearly outlined in the study) AR competition is essentially moot given the extended life span the AR exhibits (it more than doubles)when an androgen is bound to it and given that when that occurs the rate of production of new AR's is almost doubled as well. Saying that a stronger androgen will prevent a weaker one from finding or binding a receptor given the increased life span and production rate of AR is pretty foolish . In fact it not only disproves down regulation it also , in all likely hood , makes this entire point your are arguing completely incorrect. It doesnt matter that there is receptor competition ..if there are adequate numbers of receptors present anyway.
Now stop.
Jesus Christ. And stop regrinding my point about how foolish you are/ have been acting on the premise of proving a point. There are newbs here that need real help and guidance , not foolish outlandish claims made for the sake of a stupid argument that they may view as "they right way" and actually go do it. It pretty damn irresponsible of you.

I mean besides we already know tren is better...it costs more *LOL*