More Tren Ace then Test Enth per wk?

[THE-DET-OAK]

Based on the bodies response (as clearly outlined in the study) AR competition is essentially moot given the extended life span the AR exhibits (it more than doubles)when an androgen is bound to it and given that when that occurs the rate of production of new AR's is almost doubled as well. Saying that a stronger androgen will prevent a weaker one from finding or binding a receptor given the increased life span and production rate of AR is pretty foolish . In fact it not only disproves down regulation it also , in all likely hood , makes this entire point your are arguing completely incorrect. It doesnt matter that there is receptor competition ..if there are adequate numbers of receptors present anyway.

No you are misconstruing your outdated study.

first of all who said anything about down regulation?

Second of all how are your leaping from AR doubles, to having plenty of receptors? those are some really good math skills.

if AR is saturated at physiological doses of testosterone, then you take more, and they double, how are you arguing that there is still plenty? as I pointed out many time, by your logic AR up reg is exponential, which would totally disprove the argument of diminishing returns, which has been shown time and time again in studies!!!!!!

So basically what I have been saying all along, is I know what your saying but you are DEAD WRONG!

it is IMPOSSIBLE to think that AR up reg is exponential, cause if you believe that, than you are also dismissing diminishing returns!!!!!!!!!!!

So your argument, based on studies from the 80's and 90's is complete bullshit!!!!!!!!!!

Now as I said earlier, it is possible, that non AR mediated effects, which would also take in to account diminishing returns, is what makes up for gains when receptors are saturated!!!!

With that being said, recapping the point I made earlier, since it is the non AR mediated effects accounting for the very small gains after saturation, then why you would stick a bunch of test in your body to get non AR mediated effects, doubling the chances of your side effects and bloating you up like a hot air balloon!!!!!!!!???????? if its not bound its looking for trouble!

Just because there are no studies on AR competition, doesn't mean its not happening, as a matter of fact, the review I posted clearly points towards it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Studies in AAS-using human subjects as well as experimental model systems have refuted the decades-old assertion that suprapharmacologic dose regimens of AAS are not anabolic in normal men or are only anabolic due to the impact of their CNS effects on motivation to train. The physiopathology of suprapharmacologic doses of AAS is clearly demonstrated and predicted by the beneficial effects on the same systems when AAS are used in hypogonadal men. However, there has been surprisingly little work on the mechanism by which these suprapharmacologic doses exert their actions or on pharmacologic strategies to distinguish beneficial (anabolic) effects from pathologic side effects on brain and heart. The recent demonstration of clinical benefits of suprapharmacologic regimens (Bhasin et al., 1996,1997,1999,2001) suggests that such developments could be clinically beneficial. A recent review proposed the potential value of exploring the possible tissue specificity of protein regulators of androgen receptor function, comparable to those which have been exploited so successfully in the development of selective estrogen receptor modulators (Negro-Vilar, 1999).

Anabolic Steroids -- Kuhn 57 (1): 411 -- Recent Progress in Hormone Research

Now as far as the dangerous " low test " comment, I have taken tren alone and its not dangerous!!!!!!!!!!!! and has never been proven to be so, and as a matter of fact the study I posted earlier was a study trying to determine if tren would be a viable substitute for TRT!!!!!

So I will say again, your decades old argument, is fucking decades old!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your the one who needs to get a grip!!!

 

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and BTW my reference is from 2009, not the 20th century!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our results demonstrate that TREN prevents the deleterious alterations in body composition associated with ORX to the same extent as supraphysiological TE. Specifically, we observed that 1) regardless of dose, TREN and supraphysiological TE produced equally myotrophic responses in the androgen-sensitive LABC muscle complex in both intact and ORX animals, 2) TREN partially prevented ORX-induced bone loss to roughly the same extent as supraphysiological TE, and 3) at equal doses, TREN was somewhat more lipolytic than TE in visceral fat. In contrast, the lowest doses of TREN maintained prostate mass and Hb concentrations at the level of shams in both intact and orchiectomized animals, whereas supraphysiological TE and high-dose TREN produced prostate enlargement and/or elevations in Hb. Thus, at the lowest doses administered, TREN appears to have a higher and more clinically favorable anabolic/androgenic ratio than supraphysiological TE.

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[THE-DET-OAK]

you are not the first to go down in flames and you most certainly won't be the last.......

 

[JimiThing]

it is IMPOSSIBLE to think that AR up reg is exponential, cause if you believe that, than you are also dismissing diminishing returns!!!!!!!!!!!

Talk about a foolish fvcking leap and assumption this is one if EVER saw it. You are so f- ing self absorbed in being right you are saying stupid shit like this. It does not, by any means, dismiss diminishing returns. Like there is no other possible explanation for that. Stop. Also you failed to mention the increased life expectancy or the receptor as well. How many times does it happen ? what is the limit ? I mean you seem to know?
Oh and nice since when does some proposing the exploration of a theory like the except you bolded make it a fact. Its specualtion ..just like all the rhetoric you spew.

Now as far as the dangerous " low test " comment, I have taken tren alone and its not dangerous!!!!!!!!!!!! and has never been proven to be so, and as a matter of fact the study I posted earlier was a study trying to determine if tren would be a viable substitute for TRT!!!!!
So you are saying you think its prudent and a good idea for a newb to do 100mgs of test/month - nice ...all for the sake of being right. You are a jackass
your the one who needs to get a grip!!!

Really? Cause im not the one arguing giving newbs the impression that 100mgs test / month is a good idea.
Im not the one stating something that warrant exploration is a proven fact.
Im not the one that claims to have invented test lower than tren ...yers after people have been doing it.
Im not the one that says its more expensive so it must be better.
Im not the one saying this is my board.
Im not the one arguing just to be right , instead of doing whats right.

Im the one laying out the real deal , making sure newbs get prudent info , and dispelling garbage like i just listed from incompetent , egomaniacal , windbags like you.

 

[JimiThing]

Cause im not the one arguing giving newbs the impression that 100mgs test / month is a good idea.
Im not the one stating something that warrant exploration is a proven fact.
Im not the one that claims to have invented test lower than tren ...yers after people have been doing it.
Im not the one that says its more expensive so it must be better.
Im not the one saying this is my board.
Im not the one arguing just to be right , instead of doing whats right.

Only a total self absorbed moron would do all the things i just listed in this post above ..and then have a audacity to post the picture you did. You are a disgrace. you should be ashamed of the BS you spew just to try to look correct without regard for the truth of for peoples well being.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Really? Cause im not the one arguing giving newbs the impression that 100mgs test / month is a good idea.

listen you keep clinging to that if you want, i never said it was a good idea, i merely said its not as bad as you make it sound, and its not. The tren would give him the androgenic effects test would. Now recovery may be harder, but thats the only pitfall, and as I said earlier I can think of a couple reasons why someone would purposely not take any test at all, for instance a young professional BB'er not wanting to take the chance of closing his growth plates early.

The saddest thing about this is you don't even know why you recommend test with it. It has nothing to with "the effects of low testosterone and messing up his blood work" , the tren, at supra doses will do that alone.

The only reason it would not be OPTIMAL, is because of the effects estrogen has on BMD, and it would take years for that to become detrimental.

keep trying to misconstrue my words like you have done with your study, you got fucking owned.........

 

[JimiThing]

you got fucking owned.........

LOL only in the fantasyland that is apparently your world.

Never met anyone that thought they knew so much that knew so little and said such stupid things.

Funny you could even show your face much less say i got owned after the list of tragedies that are you life here i posted LOL
In fact here..just so you dont forget :

Really? Cause im not the one arguing giving newbs the impression that 100mgs test / month is a good idea.
Im not the one stating something that warrant exploration is a proven fact.
Im not the one that claims to have invented test lower than tren ...yers after people have been doing it.
Im not the one that says its more expensive so it must be better.
Im not the one saying this is my board.
Im not the one arguing just to be right , instead of doing whats right.

Yup ..thats you..every embarrassing shameful disgraceful one of them. ALL OF THEM ..not just one of them. Hold you head high Mr this is my board. LOL

 

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[MaxedPupil]

Funny thing. I actually learned a lot from this thread. Despite some of the mis qouted things I seen. Great info in there. Lol

 

[Hollywood27]

Hey how do I create my own post? I tried the "reply to the post

 

[Brian89]

Man, the maturity level on the board tonight is at an all time high. Very impressive.