My 1st Steroid Cycle. Testosterone-Enanthate, Aromasin & Nolvadex.

How long had you been lifting before using steroids?

  • 0-3 years

    Votes: 19 28.4%
  • 3-6 years

    Votes: 17 25.4%
  • 6-9 years

    Votes: 17 25.4%
  • 9+ years

    Votes: 14 20.9%

  • Total voters
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If I can give my opinion on this, it's placebo. Drug has barely kicked in. I also had the same thing at the time and looking now I can see mine was placebo. Just my 2 cents.

Also, why are people telling him not to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? I thought Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) were recommended for every cycle.

hCG is never mandatory during a cycle. Evidence has shown that the testes will return to normal size provided a strict post cycle therapy (pct) is followed. People only use hCG if they want to prevent atrophy during a cycle, it is purley the users choice.
 
hCG is never mandatory during a cycle. Evidence has shown that the testes will return to normal size provided a strict post cycle therapy (pct) is followed. People only use hCG if they want to prevent atrophy during a cycle, it is purley the users choice.

I have read in ANABOLICS by William LLewellyn that the usage of hCG during a cycle must be closely monitored because of the risk to desensitize the testes to the Luteinizing hormone responsible for the production of testosterone by the testes.

I am personally in my 4th week of test enanthate and I have already noticed that my testes have shrunk a little bit.... I am a little bit worried.
 
Update

I won't be hitting the quads again any time soon. The PIP inhibited me from a leg workout. Had to swap my rest day and leg workout day around because of it. My bad as I administered into the quad 24 hours before leg day. Hadn't foreseen the problem. Take note newbies.

2 days ago I administered the 4th injection. I went back to the very first site, the right glute. Its true what they say. The PIP isn't as bad once administered to a site that has previously experienced it. For the remainder of this cycle I will stick with the glutes.

My weekly weigh in went well. 10st 8lbs now. LBM increase of 1.7lbs in the last week. Slight body fat increase from 13.3 to 13.7 also.

Ever so slight change in the 'feel' of my bollocks also. Just lacking a little fullness at the minute.
 
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I've had 8 shots so far and all were in the glutes. I have been considering trying the quads to give a break to my glutes...

Messymatt, beside the PIP that prevented you from working out your legs, how do you like it in the quads compared to the glutes? Is it a lot more painful to inject in the quads than it is in the glutes?
 
I've had 8 shots so far and all were in the glutes. I have been considering trying the quads to give a break to my glutes...

Messymatt, beside the PIP that prevented you from working out your legs, how do you like it in the quads compared to the glutes? Is it a lot more painful to inject in the quads than it is in the glutes?

Its not painful to inject at all. If anything its a little easier as the injection site is much easier to access. I could feel the leg all the time whereas he glute I only notice if I sit on it. Give it a shot.
 
I have read in ANABOLICS by William LLewellyn that the usage of hCG during a cycle must be closely monitored because of the risk to desensitize the testes to the Luteinizing hormone responsible for the production of testosterone by the testes.

The only reports I have seen with significant desensitization were in excessive doses (for our standards) of 5000iu. And to be more specific it is the Leydig Cells that are effected. It is really user dependent, but most AAS user/ bodybuilders that I know that run hCG, use it every cycle and have been for years with no adverse effects from the hCG. It is also interesting to note that using Novadex can inhibit this desensitization.
(I am quoting this from a research paper I wrote where I quoted this from medical literature. However I am too lazy to find and give proper credit at the moment):
Leydig cell desensitization from HCG has been shown to be blocked/minimized by Nolvadex. This occurs by supressing HCG's ability to inhibit the conversion of 17 alpha hydroxyprogesterone to testosterone.

Modulation of Leydig Cell Androgen Biosynthesis and Cytochrome P-450 Levels during Estrogen Treatment and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin induced Desensitization

The similarity of estrogen dependent lesions to those produced by hCG treatment further indicates the involvement of endogenous estrogen in the development of the microsomal enzymatic lesions in gonadotropin-induced desensitization of testicular androgen production.

Tamoxifen suppresses gonadotropin-induced 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone accumulation in normal men.

Simultaneous administration of hCG and the estrogen antagonist tamoxifen (20 mg twice daily) almost completely abolished the hCG-induced steroidogenic block localized between 17 OHP and T (17 OHP to T ratio at 24 h, 1.1 +/- 0.1 times baseline; P < 0.01 vs. hCG alone). These data indirectly suggest that, in man, the hCG-induced steroidogenic lesion might be mediated through its estrogen-stimulating effect.

Effect of an antiestrogen on the testicular response to acute and chronic administration of hCG in normal and hypogonadotropic hypogonadic men: tamoxifen and testicular response to hCG.

17OHP rose with hCG alone, but not with hCG + Tx in both groups. E, SHBG and 17OHP/T ratio did not change after treatments. hCG tests: E increased 24 h following hCG administration in every test. The ratio 17OHP/T rose at 24 h in the first and second test but in the third test it did not change. These results support the role of E in the acute hCG-induced Leydig cell desensitization.

I am personally in my 4th week of test enanthate and I have already noticed that my testes have shrunk a little bit.... I am a little bit worried.

This is to be expected. They should return to proper size after your cycle given you run a proper PCT.
 
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Its not painful to inject at all. If anything its a little easier as the injection site is much easier to access. I could feel the leg all the time whereas he glute I only notice if I sit on it. Give it a shot.

Do you use the same length of needle for quads and glutes?
 
Update

I just noticed my left nipple looks erect. Literally just the tip. Ever so slightly larger than I recall. There is no pain, its not itchy or sore. I don't know for sure if I'm being slightly paranoid or what, but regardless, I have started the Aromasin today, only 1 day earlier than scheduled. 10mg EOD. I'm not risking growing breast tissue. Today completes 2 full weeks on cycle. Tomorrow the start of week 3 and injection number 5.
 
Update

Injection number 5. Left glute. Today is day one of week 3. The week when things are supposed to take off with Testosterone Enanthate. Eagerly anticipated.
 
Hello! can u give some feedback about the increase of body hair and acne so far?

and btw 300mg/week test E for first cycle isn't enough?
 
Update

Testicular atrophy. It has arrived! My balls have quite blatantly, all of a sudden, shrunk - literally over night! I've previously noticed changes in testicle 'fullness' but nothing like the changes I've noticed today. Yesterday was day 1 of week 3, and injection number 5 as a reference point. I can't say I'm surprised at my balls reducing in size as the last 2 days I have had a overwhelming feeling of well being. So this is obviously the other side of the coin. Its pretty evident that my body has now shut down the natural production of testosterone. I hope that they don't continue to shrink and that this is how they will remain until I start my PCT.

Hello! can u give some feedback about the increase of body hair and acne so far?

and btw 300mg/week test E for first cycle isn't enough?

No, you need 2 of them a week. Monday and Thursday, like me, as an example. Don't pump small amounts into your body, risking natural shut down for gains you would easily achieve without the 300mg a week. Either double it up dude or just don't do it.
No changes in acne and body hair as of yet. Any notable changes in anything I consider to be related to the AAS I will post about and inform you, as above. I want this to be as informative as possible for all the newbies and something others can refer to.
 
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Update

6th Injection - Right glute.

Sticking with the glutes as my only injection sites. I think its a sensible decision to use this injection site only for all 1st cycles. My local pump clinic did recommend this as can be found earlier in this thread.
 
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Update

6th Injection - Right glute.

Sticking with the glutes as my only injection sites. I think its a sensible decision to use this injection site only for all 1st cycles. My local pump clinic did recommend this as can be found earlier in this thread.

Are you avoiding injection in the quads because of PIP that interfered with your training?
 
Update

Starting stats...

Weight: 141lbs
Lean Body Mass: 120.1lbs
Body Fat: 20.9lbs or 14.8%

Todays Result...

Weight: 150lbs
Lean Body Mass: 130.6lbs
Body Fat: 19.3lbs or 12.9%
 
You still didn't notice any kick-in Messymatt???

I am on my 5th week now and I still didn't feel anything... I am getting worried.
 
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