My 1st Steroid Cycle. Testosterone-Enanthate, Aromasin & Nolvadex.

[renat0]

I felt my sustanon kick-in on 5th week (but I increased my dosage slightly before that)

You should feel it soon, gregory. Don't expect anything marvelous like you read, it's just big increase of strength

 

[Gregory450]

Right now I am doing like Messymatt: 250mg x 2 per week. Messymatt already seems to respond better than me....

If I don't feel any kick-in after week 6, I think ima increase the dosage by an extra 250 mg per week. If I still don't feel anything, than it'll mean my gear is garbage and I'll make sure everyone knows about the product so they go out of business.

By the way, to me, a big increase of strenght IS MARVELOUS! ;-)

 

[messymatt]

Right now I am doing like Messymatt: 250mg x 2 per week. Messymatt already seems to respond better than me....

If I don't feel any kick-in after week 6, I think ima increase the dosage by an extra 250 mg per week. If I still don't feel anything, than it'll mean my gear is garbage and I'll make sure everyone knows about the product so they go out of business.

By the way, to me, a big increase of strenght IS MARVELOUS! ;-)

How you getting on Greg,

In response to your last 2 posts, I do feel like my body is responding to the compound. My weight is going up every weigh in at a steady rate. I am however on 2 x 300mg p/w remember, and no doubt I am a much smaller frame than you, I'm not sure?
The most significant change I have felt is generally just a better sense of well being. I seem to be in a much better mood all day. I can't say that my strength has increased by any real notable amount but I'm not expecting that so soon anyway.
To try and help clear your mind a little, there has certainly not been a point where I've actually felt it 'kick in' as such.
I would seek advice from some of the more experienced users with regards to increasing your dosage at week 5. Speak with DrHiney, he will help you.
Are you experiencing PIP? I read that this is a good indicator of if your gear is legit or not.

 

[messymatt]

Today is 3 full weeks on cycle.
Below is my 12 week transformation plan. I'm now on week 9, but only started this cycle on week 6.
View attachment 548547
Get organised.

 

[messymatt]

A motivational quote I have loved for a while...

No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training... what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. - Socrates (classical Greek Athenian philosopher)

 

[Gregory450]

How you getting on Greg,

In response to your last 2 posts, I do feel like my body is responding to the compound. My weight is going up every weigh in at a steady rate. I am however
on 2 x 300mg p/w remember, and no doubt I am a much smaller frame than you, I'm not sure?

The most significant change I have felt is generally just a better sense of well being. I seem to be in a much better mood all day.
I can't say that my strength has increased by any real notable amount but I'm not expecting that so soon anyway.
To try and help clear your mind a little, there has certainly not been a point where I've actually felt it 'kick in' as such.
I would seek advice from some of the more experienced users with regards to increasing your dosage at week 5. Speak with DrHiney, he will help you.
Are you experiencing PIP? I read that this is a good indicator of if your gear is legit or not.

You brought a good point Messymatt... Indeed I have more weight than you and I am using a smaller quantity of gear. I started off at 200 lbs and I am using 2 x 250mg p/w.
In other words, I am about 50lbs heavier than you and I am using 100 mg of test enanthate less than you.
This might explain why you started to feel the effects of the gear sooner. You might also be a better responder than me.

Tomorrow I'll be starting my 6th week on test enanthate. I still didn't feel any ''major kick-in''. However, after reading the description you gave of what you have
been experiencing since the beginning of your cycle, I am started to think that the gear is also having an effect on me but I just didn't realize it. I didn't feel any particular change
in my mood like you did. Nothing on my libido either...you are lucky on that one! However, just like you, my weight has been going up at a stead rate. I am now 205 lbs. So I
gained 5 lbs in 5 weeks, which is about 1 lb per week and it doesn't seem to be fat.

As far as my strength, it didn't dramatically increase but has been going up at a steady rate as well. For the first time of my life, I was able to bench 2 x 225 lbs.

Another thing that I have noticed is that I seem to recuperate faster from a workout to another. Despite the fact that my total volume per workout has
increased and that I train more often, I don't feel more tired. That might be another indicator that the gear is kicking in.

By the way, I do have PIP. Sometimes the PIP will be more intense and last longer. It's good that you mentioned that. I had been told the opposite, that the more PIP you have, the more chance it is that the gear is garbage....

Having this said, all those gains in weight and strength have nothing incredibible about it. I am more dedicated to training than ever in my life. I eat a whole lot and I eat
healthy, I train hard, and sleep good. Would I have made those gains even without the gear considering how dedicated I am?
Maybe this so called ''kick-in'' I am looking for will never happen for me. Maybe it'll be more subtle in my case...

Anyways, keep us updated on how you are doing Messymatt. I'm curious to know how your body will respond when you'll be on your 5-6 week!

 

[maplestring]

great read

 

[maplestring]

stay updated man ! great progress

 

[Panthro]

Do a search or start a thread. Rather than pissing on my parade pal.

LMFAO!!!
P.S. Placebo Effect, I thought I was feeling strong for weeks after my first shot but once it kicks in oh the rage!!! and not to mention hitting on every chick at the gym.

 

[Brizza60]

Definitly in for results GL man.

 

[Gregory450]

LMFAO!!!
P.S. Placebo Effect, I thought I was feeling strong for weeks after my first shot but once it kicks in oh the rage!!! and not to mention hitting on every chick at the gym.

After how many weeks did you experience your kick-in???

 

[DrHiney]

Tomorrow I'll be starting my 6th week on test enanthate. I still didn't feel any ''major kick-in''. However, after reading the description you gave of what you have
been experiencing since the beginning of your cycle, I am started to think that the gear is also having an effect on me but I just didn't realize it.

Most people people (myself and friends of mine) don't really feel the longer estered gear "kick-in" so to speak. Not in the way a pre-workout kicks in. Shorter estered gear, or products like tren have a more noticeable "kick in" IMO.

So I gained 5 lbs in 5 weeks, which is about 1 lb per week and it doesn't seem to be fat.

Most of this will be water, some muscle.

By the way, I do have PIP. Sometimes the PIP will be more intense and last longer. It's good that you mentioned that. I had been told the opposite, that the more PIP you have, the more chance it is that the gear is garbage

Doesn't necessarily mean the gear is not sterile, could be due to many factors: Virgin muscle, amounts of Benzyl alcohol used, volume of drug injected, injection technique, etc.

 

[DrHiney]

Something all new users need to understand is when running a testosterone only cycle, as usually recommended for first timers, you should not expect a huge increase in size, or strength gains even if your diet is on point. Testosterone is pretty shitty for the most part for making gains, however it is a mandatory base for all cycle, this is why you need to know its effects on your body.

Don't get me wrong, a T only cycle for a first timer can be great, but this is just a stepping stone for you be able to move on to more complex cycles and products. Soon you will be adding in compounds such as equipoise, trenbolone, dianabol, anadrol, deca, masteron, or shorter tests like prop or acetate. Some of these compounds will also require the need for different ancillaries as well.

 

[messymatt]

Update

This week has been a funny one. Early hours of Monday I was hit with Norovirus. A very brief but intense virus. Only sticks around for 24-60 hours and there is nothing you can do to aid it other than let it run its course. It basically consists of shitting and vomiting until you're completely empty and then you're on the mend.

Needless to say I didn't train Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday. Monday and Tuesday saw me eat very little at all. As much as I wanted too I quite simply couldn't keep food down because of the virus. I used my BCAA's in diluting juice to avoid too much catabolism. By Wednesday I felt the virus had gone, but I didn't have the energy to get to the gym, simply because I hadn't ate for the two previous days. So I spent all day Wednesday eating everything in sight in an attempt to regain some strength and make it back to the gym for Thursday.

I made the gym yesterday (Thursday) and I made it today also. I feel right back on track now.
However, today being Friday, it was a weigh in day. Given my progress and success on previous weigh in days, I wasn't looking forward to this one. Only because of my immobility and lack of calorie consumption for those 2/3 days.

The results...

Weight: 149lbs
Lean Body Mass: 134.1lbs
Body Fat: 14.9lbs or 10%

Since last Friday, I have lost 1lb in total body weight, but still gained 3lbs of lean body mass AND stripped 2.9% body fat.
Much more positive than I was expecting.

Below is the goal I set pre-cycle, as can be found on page one of this thread. Today is 3 weeks 4 days into the cycle and that goal is now looking relatively modest.

Forcast Result...

Weight: 154lbs
Lean Body Mass: 138.6lbs
Body Fat: 15.4lbs or 10%

 

[GoPro]

Preach it brother, halaluya! Gotta have test in a cycle.

 

[GoPro]

That sound terrible bro. Hope you are feeling 100% again bro. I just was sick a lil bit ago and it sucked. Have you started ur cycle? Cant wait to see.

 

[messymatt]

That sound terrible bro. Hope you are feeling 100% again bro. I just was sick a lil bit ago and it sucked. Have you started ur cycle? Cant wait to see.

Yes, tomorrow will be 4 of the 10 weeks on cycle completed.

 

[gwido456]

i dont post alot and i am not here to bash you. i believe regardless if its in your mind to use or do something there isn't too much that will stop you from it. i have also never used gear before, some time in the future i may but for now at 29 i am still making gains.

my question for you is what type of trainimg routine have you been using before and how long and consistant had you been training?

i ask this because i have seen in the past year the same people at the gym doing generic muscle mag 5-6x/week crap and still look almost no different.

then there is myself and others. i do a simple 5x5 modified with with RPT EOD and i have changed significantly in the past 2 yrs. the others i speak of use actual real people workouts with BB (barbell) training whether a 4day split or EOD and likewise they make great gains.

i really think you could have made awesome gains with a possible change in training strategy. but then again gear does quicken gains regardless.

 

[DrHiney]

^^ Solid advice about mixing up training routines. It is always a good idea to change things up after a while; whether it be your split, or adding in new exercises, changing the order of your usual routine, etc. They can definitely make a difference in breaking out of ruts or "plateaus" as too many people refer to them. The key is finding the type of splits, exercises, etc that your body responds to, because not everyone will see a benefit from the same things as the next gymbro.

but then again gear does quicken gains regardless.

Not really regardless... I suppose it depends on your definition of "gains". Steroids are not magic pills or injectables that will just pack on muscle. If either your diet and/or training are not top notch, you will never see any gains no matter how small you are to begin with or how much juice you take. The only gains you will get will be water, and maybe some fat, and they will dissipate after a month or so once you stop taking the compounds.

Steroids are only to achieve what is not genetically possible. They are not for those who are too impatient to reap the benefits of hard work and dedication, or those who are even too lazy to try.

 

[messymatt]

i dont post alot and i am not here to bash you. i believe regardless if its in your mind to use or do something there isn't too much that will stop you from it. i have also never used gear before, some time in the future i may but for now at 29 i am still making gains.

my question for you is what type of trainimg routine have you been using before and how long and consistant had you been training?

i ask this because i have seen in the past year the same people at the gym doing generic muscle mag 5-6x/week crap and still look almost no different.

then there is myself and others. i do a simple 5x5 modified with with RPT EOD and i have changed significantly in the past 2 yrs. the others i speak of use actual real people workouts with BB (barbell) training whether a 4day split or EOD and likewise they make great gains.

i really think you could have made awesome gains with a possible change in training strategy. but then again gear does quicken gains regardless.

Mate, read the thread from start to finish rather than jumping in at page 5 and passing comment. I'm 9 weeks in to a fresh routine, why would I need to change my training strategy? Look at the gains I made pre-cycle, earlier in this thread. When you're packing on close to 8lbs LBM a month WITHOUT steroids, I don't think I need to reconsider anything. When the scales tell me I've stopped growing, I'll buy your workout DVD.

I don't mean to bite anyone's head off but it seems there is this stigma attached to the AAS society, where people think if you've never done a steroid cycle then you've never lifted weights. Quite blatantly, it's bollocks! However, no doubt its come as a consequence of so many peoples idiocy and lack of comprehension towards doing their first steroid cycle, shooting them selves in the foot. Don't tar me with the same brush.

Thank you to the people who continue to post constructive information.