My cutting diet ... please critique

[redsoxnation1988]

Stats = age: 24 - ht: 5`7 - wt:201 - BF:10%

meal 1: "post fastened cardio" 6 egg whites, 2 pieces of whole wheat multigrain bread

meal 2: "pre work-out" 1 sweet potato, either 8oz chicken breast or tilapia

meal 3: "post work-out" 60 grams of whey mixed with apple juice = 40 grams of carbs

meal 4: 8oz steak with either a salad or broccolli

meal 5: "before bed" 60 grams of whey casein mixed with water, 1 tablespoon of natty peanut butter

NOTES: will be running tren ace 100mgs eod along with test prop 100mgs eod and EQ 600mgs a wk while on this diet ... also will be taking t3 with letro

 

[Juicer2222]

i would have atleast 6 meals in there. and if ur running t3, u can probably get away with eating more.

im guessing there is a lot of sugar in the apple juice. if thats the case maybe replace that with a potatoe or brown rice or wheat pasta.

 

[redsoxnation1988]

i would have atleast 6 meals in there. and if ur running t3, u can probably get away with eating more.

im guessing there is a lot of sugar in the apple juice. if thats the case maybe replace that with a potatoe or brown rice or wheat pasta.

so drop the apple juice from my post w/o shake ?? .. i allways you thought u needed some type of fast acting carb post w/o along with your shake for an insulin spike ......

 

[barrysanders]

How many cycles have you ran in the past???? Remember, that your going to want your Test higher than the Tren (dont know what your concentrate is so just be careful).

I would say for your size that your going to want at a minimum 3000 cals, 250 proteins, < 75 carbs, for a good cutting diet (depending on your stats); depending on your routine and how much cardio your doing. If you post some pics that could help as well.

I like doing the atkins diet while cutting. Eat as much meat, dairy, vegi's as you want. However, carbs are at a very low minimum. I promise you this diet would work if your looking for significant results quick.

I agree with Juicer- Get rid of the fruits..too high in sugar.

 

[redsoxnation1988]

How many cycles have you ran in the past???? Remember, that your going to want your Test higher than the Tren (dont know what your concentrate is so just be careful).

I would say for your size that your going to want at a minimum 3000 cals, 250 proteins, < 75 carbs, for a good cutting diet (depending on your stats); depending on your routine and how much cardio your doing. If you post some pics that could help as well.

I like doing the atkins diet while cutting. Eat as much meat, dairy, vegi's as you want. However, carbs are at a very low minimum. I promise you this diet would work if your looking for significant results quick.

I agree with Juicer- Get rid of the fruits..too high in sugar.

i know .. thanks broo .... but what would be a good idea for my post work-out shake ?? .... my meals consisting carbs would be breakfast, pre work out and post work out .... should i cut the carbs on my post work-out shake then ? .. btw ... i get rid of all dairy while cutting

 

[redsoxnation1988]

also .. ive done a few cycles in the past all consisting test as a base... enanth, Sustanon (sust), cyp etc etc .. dbols ... deca, a bombs ... done tren in the past but i dont think it was the real deal ....

 

[Juicer2222]

so drop the apple juice from my post w/o shake ?? .. i allways you thought u needed some type of fast acting carb post w/o along with your shake for an insulin spike ......

its definately good to have a fast carb post workout. white rice is faster digesting. but maybe post workout ur body is going to use those carbs right away so it doesnt matter if u were to have straight sugar post workout?

i just started a pre-contest diet and my coach says pretty much no sugar. so idk. ill have to ask him about some kind of fast carb immediately post workout.

 

[redsoxnation1988]

its definately good to have a fast carb post workout. white rice is faster digesting. but maybe post workout ur body is going to use those carbs right away so it doesnt matter if u were to have straight sugar post workout?

i just started a pre-contest diet and my coach says pretty much no sugar. so idk. ill have to ask him about some kind of fast carb immediately post workout.

what do you use on your post w/o shake ?

 

[Juicer2222]

i just have whey protein mixed with water at the gym, then when i get home i have my lean protein and complex carb. so i didnt even have a fast carb. ill ask my trainer what he recommends for post workout.

im thinking ur body is going to use those fast digesting carbs rigth away post workout, and the reason u want to avoid fast carbs when cutting is cause they quickly turn to fat if not used. so I would think sugar would be ok post workout.

 

[redsoxnation1988]

i just have whey protein mixed with water at the gym, then when i get home i have my lean protein and complex carb. so i didnt even have a fast carb. ill ask my trainer what he recommends for post workout.

im thinking ur body is going to use those fast digesting carbs rigth away post workout, and the reason u want to avoid fast carbs when cutting is cause they quickly turn to fat if not used. so I would think sugar would be ok post workout.

thts what ive allways thought ...... your body is depleted from glycogen especially after a heavy training session while on a cutting diet with a calorie deficit .... soo with a good post work-out shake consisting of both protein and carbs your body will suck tht right up after a work-out .... or maybe im wrong .... LOL

 

[ezred]

don't change out your post workout carbs for brown rice or pasta bro. you're better of the way it is, whether you're trying to cut or not.

although, from what i've read on t3 it helps get nutrients into your muscles thus further increasing the benefits of the test and such, so the need for fast loading carbs post workout would probably go down slightly. but still...stuff like pasta, oats, etc. are not the best carbs for after a heavy workout in my opinion.

with t3, i'd think that amino acids would become that much more effective and useful especially post workout. definitely get in some bcaa's and some glutamine.

 

[redsoxnation1988]

don't change out your post workout carbs for brown rice or pasta bro. you're better of the way it is, whether you're trying to cut or not.

although, from what i've read on t3 it helps get nutrients into your muscles thus further increasing the benefits of the test and such, so the need for fast loading carbs post workout would probably go down slightly. but still...stuff like pasta, oats, etc. are not the best carbs for after a heavy workout in my opinion.

with t3, i'd think that amino acids would become that much more effective and useful especially post workout. definitely get in some bcaa's and some glutamine.

thanks broo ... any input on how should i run the prop with tren ace ?? ... since test allways has to be higher than tren ..... my prop and my tren ace are both 100mg per ml .. do you think dropping the tren to 75mgs eod ... wouldnt that be too low of a dose for the tren eod though ?? ... or maybe i should up the prop to like 125mgs eod ?? ... any thoughts ??

 

[ezred]

thanks broo ... any input on how should i run the prop with tren ace ?? ... since test allways has to be higher than tren ..... my prop and my tren ace are both 100mg per ml .. do you think dropping the tren to 75mgs eod ... wouldnt that be too low of a dose for the tren eod though ?? ... or maybe i should up the prop to like 125mgs eod ?? ... any thoughts ??

i was told that 50mg eod would get me great results even at my size (6'2 240 lean) for my first time and even beyond.

might depend on your goals. if you're doing more body recomp i would think a low dose would be plenty. i'd try to run the prop around 125 eod and the tren 50-75 eod.

that is what my next cycle will look like probably, with the tren at 50mg eod. you're already pretty lean, i would run a low dose of t3 at first personally, but that's just me. test/tren and t3 if you're eating clean you shouldn't need much t3. i mean, i would think you wouldn't even really NEED any at all.

but i do kind of like the sound of some of what t3 does, sounds interesting.

anyway, those are my thoughts. but i'm new to this stuff.

 

[redsoxnation1988]

i was told that 50mg eod would get me great results even at my size (6'2 240 lean) for my first time and even beyond.

might depend on your goals. if you're doing more body recomp i would think a low dose would be plenty. i'd try to run the prop around 125 eod and the tren 50-75 eod.

that is what my next cycle will look like probably, with the tren at 50mg eod. you're already pretty lean, i would run a low dose of t3 at first personally, but that's just me. test/tren and t3 if you're eating clean you shouldn't need much t3. i mean, i would think you wouldn't even really NEED any at all.

but i do kind of like the sound of some of what t3 does, sounds interesting.

anyway, those are my thoughts. but i'm new to this stuff.

.... like are you saying your new to gear i guess ?? what i will do ill prob up the prop to 125mgs eod with the tren 100mgs eod ... keepin it at a 500 to 400 ratio

 

[DEE RAWL]

I'm not saying one is right or wrong, simply stating I've seen alot of both that test and tren fight for receptors so you want more tren getting to those than test since tren gives better results, so I've seen alot of people on diff forums with vets saying both

1. More test than tren

2. More tren than test (at least 250-300mg ew of test to keep libido and what not) but you let the tren do the work.

I guess just try both and see what you like better.

it seems like most people in this forum say more test than tren.

 

[ezred]

.... like are you saying your new to gear i guess ?? what i will do ill prob up the prop to 125mgs eod with the tren 100mgs eod ... keepin it at a 500 to 400 ratio

new to gear, yes.

but the people telling me that i'll see killer results from 50mg eod of tren ace aren't. but in the end you gotta do what you think sounds right for you.

i think people tend to go too high on the stuff. i'd rather start low and if i get great results then i don't need to modify it, if i need to go up then i can. i'd rather that than be putting too much gear into my system needlessly.

 

[tednatas]

I can see homer simpson coming here soon. Take this to the diet forum sully, get at 3j

 

[UserAt204]

I'm with ya EZ. Start with 50 to 75mg. And especially if you are an athlete because you don't want it to be over kill and mess up your endurance. Not to mention, you are 100% right that you have the option to work up higher if you are not effected by sides and aren't seeing the results or simply feel it's more effective for you. Tren is strong and will give good results at 50mg eod.

 

[UserAt204]

Ted just noticed the Avi. JB is cut

 

[3J]

Stats = age: 24 - ht: 5`7 - wt:201 - BF:10%
how did u get ur bf tested?
meal 1: "post fastened cardio" 6 egg whites, 2 pieces of whole wheat multigrain bread
switch to oats.. quiona.. etc..
meal 2: "pre work-out" 1 sweet potato, either 8oz chicken breast or tilapia

meal 3: "post work-out" 60 grams of whey mixed with apple juice = 40 grams of carbs
drop the apple juice for 1 whole white bagel
meal 4: 8oz steak with either a salad or broccolli

meal 5: "before bed" 60 grams of whey casein mixed with water, 1 tablespoon of natty peanut butter
whey casein?? is it a mix of whey and casein??
NOTES: will be running tren ace 100mgs eod along with test prop 100mgs eod and EQ 600mgs a wk while on this diet ... also will be taking t3 with letro

i dont see why u would need to take letro with this..... ur gonna dorp ur estro levels soo damn low.. imo its not worth it... run something like a-dex or the such thats an AI..

with ur current intake i believe ur getting less then 2000 calories in

if your bf is correct.. ur bmr is 2000 calories and ur tdee is about 3100 calories..

i wouldn't drop under 2300 calories if i were u.. and that's pushing it..

i personally would stay at 2500-2600 calories...

at 2300 calories

300g protein
150g carbs
55g fats



taking what u have right now and inputing it into fitday.com will clear alotta things up for you...

take the time to work out ur diet to the point that it is more then just a guessing game.. count calories... eat more on days that u workout then on days that u dont... get specific with it... that'll make the most out of ur cycle..