my first cycle need input

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im new here so i just wanted to get any advice and input
28y/o
5'9
210lbs

im lookin to run a cycle of so sort ive been reading and it seems like i should start out wit some test ranging anywhere from 250mgs-500mgs a week and pct should novla and or clomid should i use both clomid and novla for a pct or just either one and if just one which one would be best and y and am i right to start pct 2wks after last shot and how long should i run pct before 2nd cycle starts thanks guys i hope i not putting to many questions out there just wanna double check if thats correct
 
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thank u im glad to be here ive read alot of good info on this site over the yr before i decided to start my first cycle
 
Some guys will say run Nolva only and even some will say run just clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). Some will say run Both. Over in the "Anabolic steroids and bodybuilding articles" on this forum has awesome stuff nearly every thread on things you could definately learn from. This thread however is one of the best I have read http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...masin-tamoxifen-during-post-cycle-therapy.htm
It tells why nolva is better (in the author of the books case) than clomid but keep in mind that clomid is superior to nolva for HPTA recovery. However HCG does the same thing and will make sure your balls dont get all small. Its just stuff to consider for post cycle therapy (pct).
But basically a good first cycle would be Test enanthate or cypionate. A lot of guys will say 500mg/week is a good place to start but you can go lower however you'd want to inject twice a week to keep blood leves stable. Lowest i'd go is 300 and do 150 twice a week. I would personally run nolva and clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). You run it two weeks after last injecting because of the esters with the test it stays in you for that extra two weeks. and incase gyno happens while on cycle it is suggested to use 20mg of nolva daily. cycles with test c or e shouldnt be shorter than 10weeks but you should consider 12
 
4 weeks. What are you stats (weight and bf%) and what are your goals? A good first cycle is
Test En or Cyp 300-500mg/ week shot twice a week at half of the total dose. Clomid and nolva 2 weeks after last shot for your pct run that for four weeks. You say you've been reading but you clearly need to read more. You have a lot to learn. Just look around on the forum take some time to read what other people are saying before you go out buying anything. There are many things to consider. Read all of the newbie sections and I feel that the best info on this thread is over in the "anabolic steroids bodybuilding disscussion" section.
 
inkpack4141 said:
.....mind that clomid is superior to nolva for HPTA recovery. However HCG does the same thing ............
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Huh.?....you're saying that HCG does the same thing as a SERM for HPTA recovery.......that is not correct at all.

inkpack4141 said:
.......and incase gyno happens while on cycle it is suggested to use 20mg of nolva daily.
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Again not sure where you are getting this misinformation, but you really need to stop spreading it.

If I you were to get gyno symptoms from testosterone, and were depending on Nolvadex to correct it, I would be taking 40-60mg/day until symptoms subside, then continue with 20mg/day for the duration of the cycle.
 
HCG is for HPTA recovery but does way more for HPTA recovery than clomid does. no they are not the exact same. sorry I should have stated that better. and I have read more than once that if on a test only cycle and gyno starts to appear then 20mg of nolva ed is sufficient to start out with and then should be increased if the gyno does not subside but i'll keep the 40-60mg/ day until subsided followed by 20mg/ed for the rest of the cycle in mind from now on
 
welcome bro its best if u start off wit test e for 10-12wks and the run some nolva/clomid for pct lets us know how it works out for u good luck
 
inkpack4141 said:
HCG is for HPTA recovery but does way more for HPTA recovery than clomid does. no they are not the exact same. sorry I should have stated that better. and I have read more than once that if on a test only cycle and gyno starts to appear then 20mg of nolva ed is sufficient to start out with and then should be increased if the gyno does not subside but i'll keep the 40-60mg/ day until subsided followed by 20mg/ed for the rest of the cycle in mind from now on
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Like stone stated, completely off, theres a reason why people don't run HCG during post cycle therapy (pct). HCG Mimics LH so your balls don't shrink. If u run hcg during pct ur going to slow down your recovery, becuase as far as ur body is concerned theres enough lh already being produced :o
 
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