Megatron28
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Just plain horrible advice on all accounts!
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Just plain horrible advice on all accounts!
Rida5d
city of the sun
No pct , no hcg ha?
You could end up hurting people with your retarded posts..
TheBigDawg
New member
why on earth would he wait one month, doing nothing to rectify the problem and then start again???
hes 4 weeks into taking 500mg sust a week, he hasnt been taking any hcg and hes obviously crashed his estrogen by taking too much AI each day instead of EOD. he needs to take some HCG to make sure he doesnt shutdown if it hasnt already started. he also needs to start his PCT and recover properly from this poor first cycle.
secondly, advising him to start again in a month on 125mg of sust followed by week 2-6 of 250 sust is just plain bloody stupid. why the fook would you advise anyone to do a 6 week cycle of 250 sustanon. you dont even advise him to use HCG. you tell him not to use any Gyno meds.... hes after messing up his first cycle and you advise him to do this for a second? Unbelieveable!
seriously.... if you dont have a damn clue what your talking about please dont try and advise anyone unless you want em to totally screw themselves up.
Transporter
New member
No. You need both, Clomid and Nolva for the PCT !!
Transporter
New member
^^^ Please do not listen to that.
Ziegler
light weightlifter
First of all to the guys on the genius band wagon, I said in my opinion. My opinion being an opinion from someone that has been on and off test since 1989. Since before on cycle therapy and post cycle therapy since before a hundred bro's opinions shoved down your throat. Second of all let me ask you this. If he had done the cycle I outlined would he be having these problems right now ? Do you think that the cycle I outlined would not bare any fruit ? Minus the gyno meds and pct, I have ran this cycle and had epic results with virtually no side effects. 3.5 weeks into a cycle hes having heart irregularities from in my opinion a shock to the system induced from a large dose of hormones of which may or may not be serious. So halfwits suggestion is to ad more hormones. In my opinion that is hilarious. If your too high on crack do you suggest adding meth ? Come on guys don't shoot me down every time I outline a lower dose short cycle. I've done these cycles for years. I'm still here still in the gym still lifting above average weight still dont qualify for trt because my natural test is above average.
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Megatron28
Moderator
I think what you are not grasping is that 125mg/week is going to put his Testosterone levels below where his natural Testosterone levels place him (most likely). I can show you medical studies if you don't believe me.
And just because you didn't use PCT 30 years ago doesn't mean that is the preferred practice today given the advances that have been made.
But what you also seem to be forgetting is that OP's endocrine system is still developing. He simply should not be using AAS until he is 25 years old.
Ziegler
light weightlifter
The reason I said in my opinion to try the 125mg is to see if it is going to cause an adverse reaction. In which case the low dose would be less intense and clear more rapidly. I then stated if there wasn't a problem with it to double the dose the following week. These guys are going to use weather you suggest they don't or not. Why is my low dose short cycle opinion so outrageous? Why is a simple and easy cycle shot down in flames?
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Transporter
New member
Because if he's having problems already, he should get off.
Megatron28
Moderator
250mg is still basically a TRT dose. So you are recommending that someone shut down his HPTA little to no upside. Seems foolish at best to me.
And why Sust which does not clear quickly due to the long ester it contains? Prop or E/C would be better choices.
You still don't recommend PCT either?
Megatron28
Moderator
See the attached table. 250mg/week will get most guys in the 1100-1200ng/dl range. That isn't a whole lot more than Natty levels for most guys -- and for some that is where their Natty TT is at. Hardly seems worth all the risks of HPTA shutdown. If you are going to run a cycle, do it right and run something like 500mg/wk.
But again, OP is too young to cycle and should wait until his endocrine system is done developing.
You are also recommending that he stop after 6 weeks -- just the time when things start reaching saturation levels with Sust. Seems like odd advice.
You are telling the kid to run a cycle in one hand and take on all the risks, but pussyfooting with the cycle so that none of the benefits are there. If you are going to do it, do it right.
AJPENDO : Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab
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Ziegler
light weightlifter
Too young too young like I said he's gunna do it anyway.He freaked out on 500mg why is my opinion that he try half that for a first cycle so jump on the fuck mike43 bandwagon. This is synthetic test were talking about here first time on it for a short cycle is gunna get results. Hes not an old man on his second year of trt where 250 is just cruzing. His system is going to have an anabolic orgasm over that 250mg. Less chances of sides and next time he tries 500mg his body isn't gunna say holy shit what the fuck is this foreign giant dose of extra test coarsing my veins.
Megatron28
Moderator
I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree. We see things differently.
Ziegler
light weightlifter
Lower dose less sides. Shorter cycle faster recovery. Are you sir like halfwit on trt and have trt mentality. If this kid does short low dose cycles here and there he can still enjoy the sport with or without the AAS. If he goes on these high dose long cycles that you recomend, Do you honestly think he will ever enjoy training naturally again?
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Megatron28
Moderator
Sure, lower doses have less sides, but you still get full HPTA shutdown. A fact you seem to keep ignoring. So you get the full HPTA shut down and risks that come with that; but little to no benefits of a cycle by running such a low dose.
This is like taking all the risk of robbing a bank, but only asking people in the bank to give you their wallets. Why not get at the riches in the vault? You are taking on all the risks that come with robbing a bank -- might as well get some reward for your efforts.
Ziegler
light weightlifter
I don't wanna be that guy in the gym that is holy fucking shit huge on AAS june july and august finish up the cycle and be a little turd october november and december. That's what happens on long test cycles. If your doing it right it needs to be equal on and off and were talking pct included. Im not in a contest and this kid isn't either. So if you don't want to be the guy that is huge on cycle to the point that it makes you at a normal size look small and have people thinking man that guy used to be huge I wonder what happened? Then stick to short low dose cycles that get you a little bigger and stronger for 6 weeks then a little smaller and not quite as strong six weeks vs huge for 12 weeks way smaller a lot weaker for twelve weeks.Not to mention people thinking you might have caught aids or something.
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
To the original poster, PM me, this thread is loaded with varying opinions and you've confused him
Ziegler
light weightlifter
I suggested he get off for a month.....genius....jump on the fuck mike43 bandwagon lol
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