need help on first cycle of test prop

[Prop72]

age 22, 5 years training, weight 205, height 5'11, bf 13.5%

Weeks 1-8 prop 400mg
Weeks 1-6 GP anavar 70mg
weeks 3-8 HCG 500iu
Weeks 1-8 a-dex .5mg eod
post cycle therapy (pct)
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5 eod all 4 weeks

Now I'm trying to avoid gyno like the plague. I have 40 1mg pills of a-dex and 40 25mg pills of aromasin. I wanted to know if I should just run the aromasin all the way through or start with a-dex so I don't lower estrogen TOO much and then switch to aromasin if gyno flares up. Plus I didn't wanna justwaste the a-dex I bought. If there's anything you guys could critique or change with my post cycle therapy (pct) or Aromatase inhibitor (AI) usage I'd really appreciate it.

Others said to drop nolva for post cycle therapy (pct) and just run clomid and aromasin ed at 25/25/12.5/12.5 but that seems a bit much idk.

 

[Cobra Strike]

is this your first cycle?

 

[cyto33]

sounds like a first cycle.

but its planned well.

i would run it just how you have it set up but run the HCG right from week 1
\and use Nlova only for post cycle therapy (pct) 40/40/30/20

 

[Cobra Strike]

sounds like a first cycle.

but its planned well.

i would run it just how you have it set up but run the HCG right from week 1
\and use Nlova only for post cycle therapy (pct) 40/40/30/20

I politely and respectfully disagree with this cyto....he is 22 and is way to young to be running gear at all...kid is putting himself at risk for hrt, depression, libido issues and others later down the road.

and I dont feel the cycle is well planned either....drop the gayvar....70mg wont do shit...100mg wont really do shit...its a waste of money for the gains you barely get..

hcg on a first cycle would be best used in the blast phase so you know what kind of estro your test is producing alone...

also the adex and aromasin idea is retarded...one or the other...why mix it like that?? and his aromasin dosages are wack

in post cycle therapy (pct) nolva IMO should never be used alone. I would not risk my natty recovery on that weak shit....if I use nolva then clomid is def going to be involved

and his clomid dosages are to high...50/50/50/50 will suffice. I have known guys have bad sides from clomid at 100mg/ed

this kid needs alot of teaching ....ALOT!!!!

read the sticky "am I ready for gear checklist"

 

[Teutonic]

And I agree with BOTH of you...good point s in both posts.

I agree he s toooo young but when we TAKE INTO ACCOUNT he will probably do this anyway...better to help him than try to, with little or no affect on the actual decision he ll make, dissuade him.

I ran dbol in High School and look how I turned out..a total trainwreck emtotionally, physically, sometimes sexually, professionally..OP..you writng this down boy ???

testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) docs, therapists, possibly psychiatrists are only 10-15 yr s away.

I truelly wish you well.

 

[Cobra Strike]

And I agree with BOTH of you...good point s in both posts.

I agree he s toooo young but when we TAKE INTO ACCOUNT he will probably do this anyway...better to help him than try to, with little or no affect on the actual decision he ll make, dissuade him.

I ran dbol in High School and look how I turned out..a total trainwreck emtotionally, physically, sometimes sexually, professionally..OP..you writng this down boy ???

testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) docs, therapists, possibly psychiatrists are only 10-15 yr s away.

I truelly wish you well.

hahaha I love how you always call yourself a train wreck but you look like a greek god in your avi!!! Just saying that guys probably look at your avi and are like "I want to be a trainwreck" lol

and yes I am aware of your history of issues but you do look great for all the trouble you have been through!!!

 

[Prop72]

I see guys coming on here at age 23 getting advice from experienced users. I was incredibly close to starting at age 18 but decided against it and waited 4 years. All my buddies have done much longer cycles with 19 nors and all recovered well. I might even stop the cycle after 6 weeks if I like where I'm at. Don't worry about me I know all the risks and am willing to take them.

But I considered using a-dex on cycle to not kill too much estro and switch to aromasin during post cycle therapy (pct) because there is less of an estro rebound with that Aromatase inhibitor (AI).

And yea I thought clomid at 50/50/50/50 would probably be enough but thought I'd recover better with more if I could handle the sides. I'm gonna go with the 50 all the way through.

I'll still consider what I wanna do when the rest of my stuff comes in soon. Appreciate your concern.

 

[Teutonic]

Your welcome young man.

This is a decision you ll have to make and have to live by.

I m not preaching just sharing. Your friends have recovered well you say...for now.

As long as your hip to the fact that your altering..tweaking if you will your natural homeostasis with respect to hormones and thereby all the tangible and intangible s this entales..now and later.

( I m trying to collect as much karma as I can after all the actual and collateral damage I inflicted on people in my former life as a Superhero before I go to Valhalla).

I know a good endo, therapist and shrink..call me.

 

[Prop72]

Your welcome young man.

This is a decision you ll have to make and have to live by.

I m not preaching just sharing. Your friends have recovered well you say...for now.

As long as your hip to the fact that your altering..tweaking if you will your natural homeostasis with respect to hormones and thereby all the tangible and intangible s this entales..now and later.

( I m trying to collect as much karma as I can after all the actual and collateral damage I inflicted on people in my former life as a Superhero before I go to Valhalla).

I know a good endo, therapist and shrink..call me.

Yea man lifting is my life. I used to be obsessed with wrestling in high school and its all I ever did all year round. I'd drive myself to tournaments all across the state in the offseason and won most of them. Once high school ended I had nothing so I replaced it with bodybuilding.

If I have 2nd thoughts which I don't think I will, I'm dropping the test and doing only the Anavar (var) with a clomid and/or nolva pct. I know some will say that's worthless but I'm sure it would be easier to recover from than the test. I'll post here to give an update on what I do.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Yea man lifting is my life. I used to be obsessed with wrestling in high school and its all I ever did all year round. I'd drive myself to tournaments all across the state in the offseason and won most of them. Once high school ended I had nothing so I replaced it with bodybuilding.

If I have 2nd thoughts which I don't think I will, I'm dropping the test and doing only the Anavar (var) with a clomid and/or nolva pct. I know some will say that's worthless but I'm sure it would be easier to recover from than the test. I'll post here to give an update on what I do.

kid that is the most fuckin stupid idea ever! Oral only??? seriously think you will recover better from that??? OMG you dont have a dam clue about aas...you dont even know what its doing to your body...your just a hard headed little fucker like 99% of the rest of the newbs...read the "oral only" sticky SERIOUSLY!!

Your friends recovered fine?? how the fuck do you know?? did they show you blood work from before and after?? I doubt it...doubt they took the time to do anything right. In 10 years you will look at your friends fucked up lives. Your hormones are so dam bipolar right now and they have def not matured and leveled out...now your going to mess with them??? Your going to end up with a depressed feeling later on in life and have other issues if you keep on the path your going. Your test levels should be high enough as it is and if you ate correctly you would gain a lot more. Wait till your atleast 24 before you fuck with yourself....you only get one body and one life...dont waste it

uneducated impatient kids like you make me just want to start crackin heads....open your mind to reality bro and re think wtf your doing...this is not a fuckin game

 

[hatefulONE]

If I were you I would just run test p for 10-12 weeks, I'd hold off on any ai's unless you notice sides. I'd use torem for pct. Oral only is retarded, ever run a ph cycle, orals are toxic so you typically run them at higher than needed doses for shorter periods of time to get gains, then you will lose most if not all of your gains from an oral only cycle. Been there done that, won't do it again. Here is what I will say for preparing for your first cycle, make sure you are mentally prepared and also physically ready. If you haven't optimized your training and diet, you shouldn't start. I took my first ph, superdrol, when I was 21, did a mild 4 week cycle. Messed me up mentally big time, also I blew up, got strong, then it all dwindled. Next I did some other ph's, same thing basically. Then I did a test only cycle, had solid gains, kept them, did a solid post cycle therapy (pct), then waited a good 8 months before my next cycle. Did test and dbol, same thing, solid gains, kept them, took about 9 months off. Did test/eq, loved it, but 16 weeks on, once I came off I was mentally out of it, felt like I couldn't train without being on, had to really get focused. Last cycle was a short test p and ot cycle. The reason I started was I was playing college football and needed to, everyone was doing it and we were winning, so naturally the older guys passed it down to the younger guys. I haven't done an aas in 2 years now. They are very addictive. I am finally feeling like my diet and training are just about optimized, am sitting on some gear right now, but I'm making better gains than ever being all natural. I'm having a hard time deciding if I should start up now or wait another 6 months, maybe I'll keep making gains for a few years, who knows. I'm 25, started way too young, was lucky I didn't get any sides or did irreversible damage to my hormone levels. Not many are as lucky as I was, even with a well planned out cycle one never knows how it will effect them. You are going to do what you want, but if you aren't completely optimized in every other way don't do it yet. Trust me you will be much better off waiting. Hope this helped and good luck bro.

 

[cyto33]

I politely and respectfully disagree with this cyto....he is 22 and is way to young to be running gear at all...kid is putting himself at risk for hrt, depression, libido issues and others later down the road.

and I dont feel the cycle is well planned either....drop the gayvar....70mg wont do shit...100mg wont really do shit...its a waste of money for the gains you barely get..

hcg on a first cycle would be best used in the blast phase so you know what kind of estro your test is producing alone...

also the adex and aromasin idea is retarded...one or the other...why mix it like that?? and his aromasin dosages are wack

in pct nolva IMO should never be used alone. I would not risk my natty recovery on that weak shit....if I use nolva then clomid is def going to be involved

and his clomid dosages are to high...50/50/50/50 will suffice. I have known guys have bad sides from clomid at 100mg/ed

this kid needs alot of teaching ....ALOT!!!!

read the sticky "am I ready for gear checklist"

And I agree with BOTH of you...good point s in both posts.

I agree he s toooo young but when we TAKE INTO ACCOUNT he will probably do this anyway...better to help him than try to, with little or no affect on the actual decision he ll make, dissuade him.

I ran dbol in High School and look how I turned out..a total trainwreck emtotionally, physically, sometimes sexually, professionally..OP..you writng this down boy ???

testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) docs, therapists, possibly psychiatrists are only 10-15 yr s away.

I truelly wish you well.

I just dont have the enerhy to talk a young guy out of it any more.
and with the news i just got yesterday OP i will say thinhk twice about it.
looks like i am now a Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) paitent for life.
doc just gave me my test results.

the cycle wasn't bad but as you went on to speak of orals it just went down hill.
read more study a ton. 22 your still growing dont fuck it up right now.

these 2 dudes right here they tell it like it is. as do i. we each have a way of doing things find yours by reading.

 

[Cobra Strike]

I just dont have the enerhy to talk a young guy out of it any more.
and with the news i just got yesterday OP i will say thinhk twice about it.
looks like i am now a Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) paitent for life.
doc just gave me my test results.

the cycle wasn't bad but as you went on to speak of orals it just went down hill.
read more study a ton. 22 your still growing dont fuck it up right now.

these 2 dudes right here they tell it like it is. as do i. we each have a way of doing things find yours by reading.

hey bro sorry to here that shit. and ya I barely have it in me as well to try and help save endos....bout to take the gear police sig off and give in....dont know whats stoppin me

to the op....listen to cytos experience

 

[Prop72]

kid that is the most fuckin stupid idea ever! Oral only??? seriously think you will recover better from that??? OMG you dont have a dam clue about aas...you dont even know what its doing to your body...your just a hard headed little fucker like 99% of the rest of the newbs...read the "oral only" sticky SERIOUSLY!!

Your friends recovered fine?? how the fuck do you know?? did they show you blood work from before and after?? I doubt it...doubt they took the time to do anything right. In 10 years you will look at your friends fucked up lives. Your hormones are so dam bipolar right now and they have def not matured and leveled out...now your going to mess with them??? Your going to end up with a depressed feeling later on in life and have other issues if you keep on the path your going. Your test levels should be high enough as it is and if you ate correctly you would gain a lot more. Wait till your atleast 24 before you fuck with yourself....you only get one body and one life...dont waste it

uneducated impatient kids like you make me just want to start crackin heads....open your mind to reality bro and re think wtf your doing...this is not a fuckin game

u mad?

my test levels are 307 total and 6.8 free

I'm 22 and 5 months old yet if I juice now I'm practically going to never ever be the same again and live a long and miserable depressed life. But hey if I start up a year and a half later I'm gonna be relatively okay? There are a huge amount of people on this forum who have started years younger than me with worse cycles than mine. You gonna react this way to all of them? While you're at it maybe you should go warn the people in this thread what they should be expecting years later with the way they cycled at an early age.

Nobody here is dismissing the dangers of aas because its a big decision. I've known for a while that oral only cycles are not recommended but anavar is the only one I've seen done safely in a number of logs along with people I know in real life recovering well with the bloodwork to prove it. You make it sound like we're bootin black tar heroin.

 

[cyto33]

hey bro sorry to here that shit. and ya I barely have it in me as well to try and help save endos....bout to take the gear police sig off and give in....dont know whats stoppin me

to the op....listen to cytos experience

It sucks. on a scale or 7-30 i sit at 4.

i still walk in a room with my head held high but my little buddy is staring at the floor.

 

[Prop72]

hey bro sorry to here that shit. and ya I barely have it in me as well to try and help save endos....bout to take the gear police sig off and give in....dont know whats stoppin me

to the op....listen to cytos experience

Yea you know I might go and do just that but I have a haxrd time believing that you really give 2 shits about the health of a total stranger and go off on a rant/rage to fulfill some kind of authoritative complex. Judging by the way you reacted. Maybe im wrong and u do but it doesnt seem that way. At least cyto was civil which does a better job at making an impact on a person's decision.

 

[djm6464]

I just dont have the enerhy to talk a young guy out of it any more.
and with the news i just got yesterday OP i will say thinhk twice about it.
looks like i am now a Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) paitent for life.
doc just gave me my test results.


these 2 dudes right here they tell it like it is. as do i. we each have a way of doing things find yours by reading.

sorry to hear bro, really hope everthing goes well and is uphill from here for you

its amazing how some young guys think testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) can be awesome and so on, or try and concoct their own testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with phs and ugl test......they have no clue

and for cobra, i agree, tells it like it is.....anyone who doesnt like his 'style', well its tuff love, and sometimes it takes that and more to get through to naive people

 

[Cobra Strike]

Yea you know I might go and do just that but I have a haxrd time believing that you really give 2 shits about the health of a total stranger and go off on a rant/rage to fulfill some kind of authoritative complex. Judging by the way you reacted. Maybe im wrong and u do but it doesnt seem that way. At least cyto was civil which does a better job at making an impact on a person's decision.

Listen bro...the guys that have posted on this thread other than you have been here for a while...I post with them all the fuckin time...you have 8 posts now so shut the fuck up and listen...also I am in the middle of a cardiac pathophysiology quarter and I honestly dont have time to be on this site posting shit...none the less wasting my time trying to help a stranger make the right decision. Why would I be upset??? because I dont like to see kids fuck themselves up thats why! I do not have an "authorative" complex but I sure would put you over my knee and spank your little ass like the kid your acting out to be. I am in the medical field and its my natural talent to care for strangers....its called patient advocate. Go ahead and do what you want bro but in 10 fuckin years when you cant find your dick cause it turned into a vagina and you feel like life has fucked you over on a day to day basis dont blame the people that tried to help.....remember this....COBRA STRIKE! You wont forget that when your wishing you researched your endocrine system more and hazards of aas use in youths...and your not the only one I say this stuff too....every single guy that is to young gets the love bro...

all the bs aside....you havent done enough homework so before you decide to go ahead with your ideas atleast inform yourself more than thoroughly!!!