Need help on my 2nd cycle, want to know what the experts think

[Dayreezy3]

I am ready to start my second AAS cycle in a couple weeks, before that I had a short 4 weeks 30 mg dbol cycle with no pct (I know I know) I gained around 20 solid pounds it's been 2 weeks since and surprisingly I have not lost a single pound, so you could guess why I'm extremely excited for this coming cycle.

Well anyways I am 20 years old 5'7 weighing 183 lbs, no I am not obese I've been working out since I was 17 I have a relatively low bf % and know my way around the gym, I am currently bulking and I am planning on running a test 400 and dbol cycle with clomid and nolvadex for pct, I'll try to get my hands on some arimidex just in case gyno kicks in, what dose of dbol do you guys recommend? For how long? How many cc's of test per week? For how long? If you can answer all these questions considering is my 2nd cycle (wouldn't say my first was much of a cycle) please and thank you

 

[Onk]

too young mate. I'm not inclined to help you fuck your body up by stuffing up your endocrine system.

 

[Megatron28]

Way too young. Wait for your brain/endocrine system to finish developing which takes until age 25.

And you are running very bad cycles. You are going to cause yourself serious harming running cycles like that. AI in case of gyno? Huh?

Get blood work now and see if you have recovered from you last "cycle". If you are lucky you have.

 

[Dayreezy3]

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[Dayreezy3]

too young mate. I'm not inclined to help you fuck your body up by stuffing up your endocrine system.

Do you have any advice on a less aggressive cycle for my age?

 

[Dayreezy3]

Way too young. Wait for your brain/endocrine system to finish developing which takes until age 25.

And you are running very bad cycles. You are going to cause yourself serious harming running cycles like that. AI in case of gyno? Huh?

Get blood work now and see if you have recovered from you last "cycle". If you are lucky you have.

What do you mean arimidex is not for gyno? huh? I am no expert but last time I checked AIs are used to prevent estrogen build up which causes gyno yes, and no offense but please do not give me vague answers I'd appreciate it if you could give me some base on why you'd think this could "throw off" my endocrine even while using the proper pct, and why a 4 week dbol cycle is consider a "very bad cycle"? not tryning to be offensive just eager to learn. thank you for the response

 

[Megatron28]

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You take Arimidex to inhibit aromatization. It is to prevent the problems that are caused by high estradiol. Arimidex is not taken to reduce gynecomastia once you get it. Maybe this is semantics, but these details are crucial.

Yes!!!! A 4 week dbol cycle is horrible for you. Have you not done any research on this forum or the internet about using AAS? Dbol shuts down your natural testosterone. And since that is all you were running you didn't put any testosterone back in your body while you were shut down. Research what happenes to men when they don't have any testosterone coursing thrpugh their veins.

Telling you to wait for your brain/endocrine system to finish developing -- which occurs at age 25 -- is hardly vague. But please tell me what you don't understand in that statement. When is your frontal lobe done developing? When is your HPTA finished developing?

Was my advice to get blood work too vague? Or is the issue that you have no idea about what labs you need?

 

[Megatron28]

Do you have any advice on a less aggressive cycle for my age?

Creatine.

 

[Dayreezy3]

You take Arimidex to inhibit aromatization. It is to prevent the problems that are caused by high estradiol. Arimidex is not taken to reduce gynecomastia once you get it. Maybe this is semantics, but these details are crucial.

Yes!!!! A 4 week dbol cycle is horrible for you. Have you not done any research on this forum or the internet about using AAS? Dbol shuts down your natural testosterone. And since that is all you were running you didn't put any testosterone back in your body while you were shut down. Research what happenes to men when they don't have any testosterone coursing thrpugh their veins.

Telling you to wait for your brain/endocrine system to finish developing -- which occurs at age 25 -- is hardly vague. But please tell me what you don't understand in that statement. When is your frontal lobe done developing? When is your HPTA finished developing?

Was my advice to get blood work too vague? Or is the issue that you have no idea about what labs you need?

Did I not say AI's were to PREVENT gyno not REDUCE but PREVENT? you seem to be mad for god knows what reason, and to answer your question about whether your advice was vague-- Hell the f*** yes. NOW is that you decided to write some shit thats actually worth reading rather than the usual "if you're under 30 don't do AAS" with nothing to back it up crap. Lighten up my friend if someones asking for advice is obviously because they're not experts on the subject so don't get mad for their ignorance instead provide with some info with some real base along with it.

and yes I did weeks and weeks of research before making my final decision of taking dbol for 4 WEEKS, 30 mg for 4 FREAKING WEEKS like are you serious I know people that have been taking the shit since 17 doing 6-8 week cycles with 40-50 mgs, I think a 4 week cycle is pretty solid for a 20 year old but maybe my thoughts on health arent the same as yours

 

[Dayreezy3]

Creatine.

and some musclemilk right?

 

[Megatron28]

I'll try to get my hands on some arimidex just in case gyno kicks in

This is what you said about using arimidex in case you get gyno.

Weeks and weeks of research and you still ran an oral-only cycle? I won't be hiring you as a researcher anytime soon.

The more you post, the more evident it is that you are clueless. You need to learn a lot more about AAS before you touch it again. Do you understand the harm that can come from cycling? There are real risks. I know nobody is born knowing this shit and we all had to learn. But most guys have a much better attitude about learning. They don't bite the hand that feeds them.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Holy christ. Weeks and weeks of research and you came up with a 4week dbol only cycle? Lol.

Perhaps you should consider that your not only too young, your too also too stupid? Something to think about. Also, flaming a mod isn't gonna get you anywhere.. Least of all helpful advice. Mega gave you the best advice possible and you rejected it. Your just gonna flame and troll until you hear what you wanna hear, so why are you here at all? Nobodys gonna tell you your right.

Grow up, do some research... Come back in 5 years.

 

[Onk]

Did I not say AI's were to PREVENT gyno not REDUCE but PREVENT? you seem to be mad for god knows what reason, and to answer your question about whether your advice was vague-- Hell the f*** yes. NOW is that you decided to write some shit thats actually worth reading rather than the usual "if you're under 30 don't do AAS" with nothing to back it up crap. Lighten up my friend if someones asking for advice is obviously because they're not experts on the subject so don't get mad for their ignorance instead provide with some info with some real base along with it.

and yes I did weeks and weeks of research before making my final decision of taking dbol for 4 WEEKS, 30 mg for 4 FREAKING WEEKS like are you serious I know people that have been taking the shit since 17 doing 6-8 week cycles with 40-50 mgs, I think a 4 week cycle is pretty solid for a 20 year old but maybe my thoughts on health arent the same as yours

jesus christ mate, you just keep digging that hole for yourself.

If you had done weeks and weeks of research you'd know that Test + AI + PCT should be your first cycle. That's about 20 mins research right there. After that you may see that adding another compound is not recommended as your body will respond fine to just Test and it's better for your body not to add another compound. After that you may see that below 25 your are literally setting yourself up to needing TRT for the rest of your life, for something you may not care about in 5 years. Dbol will shut you down immediately. Four weeks is well and truly a great way to stuff your HPTA.

A four week cycle is solid, when done by injecting Test, with an AI and using the Dbol as a kick start. You'll need to do 1-2 proper cycles before you consider this but. Guys that start steroids at 17 years old are idiots looking for a magic pill.

 

[Megatron28]

Did I not say AI's were to PREVENT gyno not REDUCE but PREVENT? you seem to be mad for god knows what reason, and to answer your question about whether your advice was vague-- Hell the f*** yes. NOW is that you decided to write some shit thats actually worth reading rather than the usual "if you're under 30 don't do AAS" with nothing to back it up crap. Lighten up my friend if someones asking for advice is obviously because they're not experts on the subject so don't get mad for their ignorance instead provide with some info with some real base along with it.

and yes I did weeks and weeks of research before making my final decision of taking dbol for 4 WEEKS, 30 mg for 4 FREAKING WEEKS like are you serious I know people that have been taking the shit since 17 doing 6-8 week cycles with 40-50 mgs, I think a 4 week cycle is pretty solid for a 20 year old but maybe my thoughts on health arent the same as yours

What happens to males when they don't have any testosterone in their body? Any idea what the health effects are? Make no mistake -- you had no testosterone in you while running that dbol cycle and for some time afterwards while your HPTA was trying to figure out how to start working again without a JumpStart (PCT).

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Since your clearly terrible at researching, let me point you in the right direction.

Go google "hypogonadism." Look at all the consequences of it. Your looking at a high risk of that if you cycle under 25. I did, and now I'm stuck on treatment, probably for life. Unfortunatelt I hadn't found this site or these guys before I fucked myself up. You still got a shot. Don't be stupid with your body, you only get one.

 

[Dayreezy3]

This is what you said about using arimidex in case you get gyno.

Weeks and weeks of research and you still ran an oral-only cycle? I won't be hiring you as a researcher anytime soon.

The more you post, the more evident it is that you are clueless. You need to learn a lot more about AAS before you touch it again. Do you understand the harm that can come from cycling? There are real risks. I know nobody is born knowing this shit and we all had to learn. But most guys have a much better attitude about learning. They don't bite the hand that feeds them.

Yes dude I realized running an oral-only cycle was dumb hence why I am trying to run a proper cycle now, I've researched quite a bit but still got much to learn (don't we all?) hence why I'm here asking for help on proper dosage, yes I've realized that AAS could do harmful things to your body , and your mind and blah blah blah I know the risk and Im willing to take them besides I believe the difference between a 25 yr old and a 20 yr old taking AAS is not that big if done properly but well to each its own. I would of thought an experienced member like yourself would understand that some members come here because they need help not to be called "clueless" and be treated like idiots, I do not bite the hand that feeds me unless that hand decides to act like a jackass know-it-all instead of providing me with some solutions.... perhaps you need to better your attitude on helping.

 

[Dayreezy3]

Since your clearly terrible at researching, let me point you in the right direction.

Go google "hypogonadism." Look at all the consequences of it. Your looking at a high risk of that if you cycle under 25. I did, and now I'm stuck on treatment, probably for life. Unfortunatelt I hadn't found this site or these guys before I fucked myself up. You still got a shot. Don't be stupid with your body, you only get one.

thank you brother will definitely keep this in mind!

 

[Megatron28]

Yes dude I realized running an oral-only cycle was dumb hence why I am trying to run a proper cycle now, I've researched quite a bit but still got much to learn (don't we all?) hence why I'm here asking for help on proper dosage, yes I've realized that AAS could do harmful things to your body , and your mind and blah blah blah I know the risk and Im willing to take them besides I believe the difference between a 25 yr old and a 20 yr old taking AAS is not that big if done properly but well to each its own. I would of thought an experienced member like yourself would understand that some members come here because they need help not to be called "clueless" and be treated like idiots, I do not bite the hand that feeds me unless that hand decides to act like a jackass know-it-all instead of providing me with some solutions.... perhaps you need to better your attitude on helping.

Nobody here is going to help a 20 year old kid run a cycle. The best advice we can give you is the advice you got initially. Wait until you are 25. It is up to you now if you want to heed that advice.

 

[MBB]

My advice would be to stop these passive aggressive comments towards Mega, he's one of the most helpful members on this site and has done nothing but try to help you this entire time. If you don't want to listen to him and the countless other vets who will all tell you the same thing, then don't, it's your body. The decisions you make won't affect anyone else but yourself and maybe a very disappointed partner later in life when it comes time for children. If you don't like what your hearing (i.e. not hearing the answers you want) then go and read the stickies on how to run a proper cycle because no one is going to help a 20 year old run a cycle, it's just irresponsible.

 

[Onk]

Yes dude I realized running an oral-only cycle was dumb hence why I am trying to run a proper cycle now, I've researched quite a bit but still got much to learn (don't we all?) hence why I'm here asking for help on proper dosage, yes I've realized that AAS could do harmful things to your body , and your mind and blah blah blah I know the risk and Im willing to take them besides I believe the difference between a 25 yr old and a 20 yr old taking AAS is not that big if done properly but well to each its own. I would of thought an experienced member like yourself would understand that some members come here because they need help not to be called "clueless" and be treated like idiots, I do not bite the hand that feeds me unless that hand decides to act like a jackass know-it-all instead of providing me with some solutions.... perhaps you need to better your attitude on helping.

I think most people will be reticent to assist a person whom is underage for steroid use, to use steroids. To me it seems like buying or helping minors get alcohol (in my country that age is 18). Some people may be cool with it, but a small number.