Need help seperating carbs from fats

MuffDyver

Not Juice..Protein Shakes
been doing a lot of research on the importance of seperating the two and i am still confused.

out of these foods, which are classified as fats and which are carbs

carrots
cucumbers
lettuce
broccoli
apples/all fruits
peanuts
peanut butter
chicken (i know is protein but does it contain more carbs or fat)

and i think that is about it for now.
anyone that can help would be great.
 
okay
carrots (carb)
cucumber ( a carb but bearly any eat that with anything)
lettuce same goes eat it dont worry
same with broccoli ALL FIBEROUS CARBS meaning it almost doesnt count as a carb???? I know sounds weird
apples (carb) high GI berries are low GI
peanut and peanut butter (fat)
chicken if skin is off low fat almost no carb
 
carrots is preety much all I can think of.Potaotes.turnups.
Everything else eat without restrection.
fruits high in sugar carbs are apples,banannas,watermelon,grapes,oranges
berries are good to go. grapefruit.
 
carrots=cars,period
cucumbers=no cars,lots of water
lettuce=no cars
broccoli=fiber,keep u full
apples/all fruits=fructose,good for after training with some whey pro
peanuts=moderate carbs,omega 3
peanut butter=?
chicken=protein
 
MuffDyver said:
its either protein w/carbs or protein w/fat...you shouldnt do both
im assuming you mean for body composition reasons, in which case, the food combining theory is utter horseshit and is based on outdated understanding of human physiology. Even Berardi, one of the main proponents of carb and fat separation quitely abandoned this idea long ago.

In the real world, it ends up working as a food control mechanism. Its harder to eat as many calories when you have to limit carbs or fat in a particular meal, so you end up eating less than you think you are. So technically, if you are a person who cant gauge how much food youre eating, the food combining rule could help you to eat less and thereby lose weight/stay leaner, but not because of the supposed magical digestive effects.

Here is a much more indepth explanation
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/forums/showpost.php?p=146728&postcount=16

And a related study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e..._uids=10805507&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
OBJECTIVE: The goal of this study was to evaluate the effect of two diets ('food combining' or dissociated vs balanced) on body weight and metabolic parameters during a 6-week period in an in-hospital setting. SUBJECTS AND DESIGN: 54 obese patients were randomly assigned to receive diets containing 4.5 MJ/day (1100 kcal/day) composed of either 25% protein, 47% carbohydrates and 25% lipids (dissociated diet) or 25% protein, 42% carbohydrates and 31% lipids (balanced diet). Consequently, the two diets were equally low in energy and substrate content (protein, fat and carbohydrate) but widely differed in substrate distribution throughout the day. RESULTS: There was no significant difference in the amount of weight loss in response to dissociated (6.2 +/- 0.6 kg) or balanced (7.5 +/- 0.4 kg) diets. Furthermore, significant decreases in total body fat and waist-to-hip circumference ratio were seen in both groups, and the magnitude of the changes did not vary as a function of the diet composition. Fasting plasma glucose, insulin, total cholesterol and triacylglycerol concentrations decreased significantly and similarly in patients receiving both diets. Both systolic and diastolic blood pressure values decreased significantly in patients eating balanced diets. The results of this study show that both diets achieved similar weight loss. Total fat weight loss was higher in balanced diets, although differences did not reach statistical significance. Total lean body mass was identically spared in both groups. CONCLUSION: In summary at identical energy intake and similar substrate composition, the dissociated (or 'food combining') diet did not bring any additional loss in weight and body fat.
 
Suareezay said:
im assuming you mean for body composition reasons, in which case, the food combining theory is utter horseshit and is based on outdated understanding of human physiology. Even Berardi, one of the main proponents of carb and fat separation quitely abandoned this idea long ago.

In the real world, it ends up working as a food control mechanism. Its harder to eat as many calories when you have to limit carbs or fat in a particular meal, so you end up eating less than you think you are. So technically, if you are a person who cant gauge how much food youre eating, the food combining rule could help you to eat less and thereby lose weight/stay leaner, but not because of the supposed magical digestive effects.

Here is a much more indepth explanation
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/forums/showpost.php?p=146728&postcount=16

And a related study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e..._uids=10805507&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
I eat pineapple with my egg/avocado/cheese mixture
 
Suareezay said:
dood yoo mus bee fatt
i'm not fat, just have an excess of energy storage around my midsection is all...LOL

oh and my thyroid...its slow kind of...shit at almost 30 everything is slow now...LOL
 
come on people, chime in, especially those that have posted shit about how bad it is mixing the two because if insulin spikes and what not. i feel like all the research i did on the correct way to eating for BB was a complete waste because now im being told total opposite of what i learned. WTF!?!?
 
MuffDyver said:
come on people, chime in, especially those that have posted shit about how bad it is mixing the two because if insulin spikes and what not. i feel like all the research i did on the correct way to eating for BB was a complete waste because now im being told total opposite of what i learned. WTF!?!?
millions of people have gotten ripped while mixing fat and carbs and have been doing it for decades. trust me, theres zero need to separate them.
 
most of the pro/fat, pro/carb stuff i have seen or read has dealt mainly with info i have seen from intensemuscle forums.

i personally do not eat a lot of carbs, minus the few carb up meals i have a week.

so i typically end up eatting pro/fat with almost all my meals...and some fiber due to nuts or certain high fat fruits.

but that has nothing to do with me believing that a balanced meal is bad or good.

i just choose to eat high fat over high carb is all.
 
adidamps2 said:
most of the pro/fat, pro/carb stuff i have seen or read has dealt mainly with info i have seen from intensemuscle forums.

i personally do not eat a lot of carbs, minus the few carb up meals i have a week.

so i typically end up eatting pro/fat with almost all my meals...and some fiber due to nuts or certain high fat fruits.
yea the IM guys are big believers in carb and fat separation. AFAIK, Dante/DC originally incorporated this as more of a control mechanism than anything, so that people DC training dont eat ice cream and peanut butter all day because they are "bulking". Requiring that protein be eaten first, followed by greens and then either a carb or a fat 1. provides satiating effects from the protein, and 2. forces cleaner food choices. So in effect - eat lots of protein and not a lot of high carb high fat junk and you stay leaner - wowzers!

A lot of the followers are still desperately clinging onto the idea it keeps you leaner, but can provide no explanation as to its merits. When questioned about it, followers respond with the highly logical response "dont question it, it just works. period. Question it again and you will be banned". durrrrr.

FWIW, i did the fat/carb separating thing for a substantial period of time (upwards of 6 months IIRC) and experienced absolutely no benefit whatsoever. I gained just as much fat on a bulk as i ever did. fuck that shit.

btw what is this high fat fruit you speak of? never heard of one that I can recall. although i do occasionally eat bananas and peanut butter, i dont think that qualifies.
 
Suareezay said:
yea the IM guys are big believers in carb and fat separation. AFAIK, Dante/DC originally incorporated this as more of a control mechanism than anything, so that people DC training dont eat ice cream and peanut butter all day because they are "bulking". Requiring that protein be eaten first, followed by greens and then either a carb or a fat 1. provides satiating effects from the protein, and 2. forces cleaner food choices. So in effect - eat lots of protein and not a lot of high carb high fat junk and you stay leaner - wowzers!

A lot of the followers are still desperately clinging onto the idea it keeps you leaner, but can provide no explanation as to its merits. When questioned about it, followers respond with the highly logical response "dont question it, it just works. period. Question it again and you will be banned". durrrrr.

FWIW, i did the fat/carb separating thing for a substantial period of time (upwards of 6 months IIRC) and experienced absolutely no benefit whatsoever. I gained just as much fat on a bulk as i ever did. fuck that shit.

btw what is this high fat fruit you speak of? never heard of one that I can recall. although i do occasionally eat bananas and peanut butter, i dont think that qualifies.
avocado's and coconut meat/oil (MCT oil as it were)

my diet typically has me around 60+% fat and under 10% carbs the rest comes from protein (mostly whole eggs 12 ED and steak/beef make up the brunt of most the rest)


EDIT: as far as IM goes i havent been there much after they changed the board look...but i wouldn't doubt the threats of banning over questioning their methods...i find most boards that are sponcered/run by supp companies are pretty scuppuluss (sp) that way...except surprisingly BB.com
 
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ok yea durrrr forgot about avocados. im curious, how do you eat/prepare these? I like guacamole, so ive always wanted to try an avocado.
 
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