Need Help With My P.C.T!

Sawaiz

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First of all its great to be here a really informative place! Anyhow I just recently started this cycle:

.Test-e 500mg split in 250mg x2 a week (Saturday and Tuesday)

.Letrozole (AI) 1.25mg x2 a week (Saturday and Tuesday after i get a shot of test)

.Proviron (Mesterolone) 50 mg daily split in 25mg in am and 25mg in pm.

.Liv52 (Liver Cleanse Supplement) 4 tabs daily.

Other stuff I have on hand:
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), Novaldex and Clomid

My Concern Or Question:
I am two weeks in the cycle, last night got my 3rd shot of test, so far feeling great getting vascular and really hard! Anyhow as it is my first cycle I am kinda concerned about my post cycle therapy (pct) I want the absolute best because the last thing i wana do is lose my own test production! So considering my cycle which kind of post cycle therapy (pct) would you recommend. I have done plenty of research on post cycle therapy (pct) but then I end up being confused. I read about clomid and nolva post cycle therapy (pct) then i read about adding hcg. I dont exactly know what to do with my post cycle therapy (pct) so I bought all three of the them i.e Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), nlova and clomid. So help me out guys. Btw i am 24, weight 180pounds, working out since I was 14, body fat is stays around 15-16%. My goal for this cycle is to gain as much muscle as I can and to get as ripped as humanly possible! I recently got my blood work done before the cycle, I had 45ng/dl estrogen level which slightly was out of the range according to the lab stats and my test was on the lower side i.e 389ng/dl.
Looking forward for your replies :)!
 
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not to sure about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but if i recall its 500iu ed from last pin to day before pct (dont quote me on it) but i would replace letro with arimidex since letro is to harsh on your body, letro should be taken if u got gyno already going and ONLY then
 
Letrozole is harsh I would use Arimidex instead....do not use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during PCT...it is best used during your cycle....You need to use Clomid and Nolvadex both for your PCT...AND they need to be ran about 4 weeks together like this..

Clomid 100/50/50/25
Nolvadex 60/40/40/20
 
you should run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 250mgs 2x per week throughout cycle. this cycle is light so u probally wont have to worry about a blast phase
 
Thanks for the reply guys :) btw i have a lil bit of gyno and as i mentioned my estrogen levels are already out of range, thats why i opted for letro btw I take to low of a dose like just a half a tab on the day i take test! Is it alright? or would u still recommend arimidex? And one thing more do i really need to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or would i be good without it?
 
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Get rid of the gyno before you start your cycle. If you don't take care of it now it will get a lot harder to get rid of later. And you'll want at least some water when you're on cycle to lubricate your joints. Massive strength gains + dry joints = a disaster waiting to happen.
 
Get rid of the gyno before you start your cycle. If you don't take care of it now it will get a lot harder to get rid of later. And you'll want at least some water when you're on cycle to lubricate your joints. Massive strength gains + dry joints = a disaster waiting to happen.
It is not exactly the hard type of gyno it is pseudogynecomastia, like i dont have fat all over my body like my packs are visible but there is some puffy nipples going on like its not huge just quite annoying for me! Btw what would cause dry joints? I am already in my cycle as i said i am already 3 weeks in the cycle so i dont think i can quit now.
 
HI,Low estrogen will cause dry joints,letrozole in low doses is capable of controlling estrogen from heavy aromatising AAS quite well,however is is so efficient at a low dose that off cycle it is capable of cutting estrogen so low it could cause 'dry joints'.
IMO arimidex on cycle,unless your cycle is heavy as above.
 
HI,Low estrogen will cause dry joints,letrozole in low doses is capable of controlling estrogen from heavy aromatising AAS quite well,however is is so efficient at a low dose that off cycle it is capable of cutting estrogen so low it could cause 'dry joints'.
IMO arimidex on cycle,unless your cycle is heavy as above.
Thanks for the reply, so what if i further decrease the letro dose? Or i should get arimidex? i am a little hesitant cuz i bought like a whole stack of letro for my 12-14 week cycle, it all would go to waste if i get arimidex but if letro even at a really low dose would be harsh then I will defiantly get arimidex because health is my first priority :)!
 
HI,you have already started?how far in are you(weeks) TBH some people dont get many sides from 2x250mg test a week,i myself am gyno prone,if u keep it low u should be ok,half a tab twice a week should be ok.
Be sure next time to have your research down and everything you need to hand.A.I. stop the formation of estrogen,serms(nolva/clomid) will block the action of estrogen at the breast receptors,you will still have all the other symptoms.like water bloat from high estrogen going on if you dont use an A.I.
It really is your choice wether u stop cycle clear your gyno(letro is the only proven A.I.that can clear an existing case of gyno)or carry on as you are.
All the things i have just stated are from an article i will post for you ASAP and you can weigh up the pros and cons and decide which A.I.to use,it really is your choice but the best choices are based on information.
so i will post the article and go from there.
Regards
 
COPIED from 'All about peptides' website

What Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is right for you? Anastrozole, Exemestane or Letrozole

This is a question thats been asked over and over, but hopefully after reading this you will have a much better understanding of what will best suit your needs. Exemestane and its uses. Half life : 27 hours

Exemestane (Aromasin) is a Type 1 inhibitor and so therefore is a steroidal inhibitor or suicidal aromatase inhibitor. It***8217;s called this because it lowers estrogen production in the body by attaching to the aromatase enzyme, and permanently deactivating it, and being a steroidal type 1 inhibitor it has androgenic effects. It is especially good as a test boosting Aromatase inhibitor (AI) as it prevents SHBG releasing more free test and as it averages an 85% rate of estrogen suppression which translates to an overall reduction in estradiol levels of about 50%, as well as raising testosterone to a significant degree it makes it quite exciting. Because its a type 1 inhibitor it offers other promising aspects, once it deactivates the aromatase enzyme those particular enzymes will no longer function, even if your body produces more aromatize, it cant do anything because it cant bind. In this case, the advantage of using a suicidal aromatize inhibitor is that it really won***8217;t cause much, if any, noticeable ***8220;rebound***8221; in estrogen when you cease using it, so no rebound gyno which is quite possible with Anastrozole and letrozole. Also as well as reducing water retention, having no negative impact on good cholesterol, no chance of rebound gyno, its androgenic effects make it great to use in post cycle therapy (pct), as sa pre workout boost, 25mg taken and hour or so before training always does its job for me, and helps keep strength up during post cycle therapy (pct) with is mild androgenic effect. Talking of post cycle therapy (pct) it is also the only Aromatase inhibitor (AI) that should be used with Nolva, it doesnt interfere with the actions of nolvadex, nolva will reduce about 60 percent of the effect of both letro and arimadex.. so it seems pointless, thought they are great on cycle for reducing estrogen, once into post cycle therapy (pct) its a different story and Aromasin is king. Remember we said above it permanently deactivates the aromatize enzyme.. well it means it doesnt need to be taken everyday.. and it will still increase IGF levels substantially, which normally plummet in post cycle therapy (pct), and still prevent any estrogen and water retention***8230;. this permanent effect on the Aromatize enzyme maybe the reason why nolva doesn***8217;t interfere with it. So in summary it has the potential to increase testosterone by upwards of 40 percent, increase Insulin like growth factor im muscle, stimulate androgen receptors, lower estrogen, increase free test, has numerous uses, doesnt impair bone mineral content or have any adverse effect on your lipids***8230; Aromasin is quite simply the King of AI***8217;s during post cycle therapy (pct). I used Nolva as an example here as 25 mgs is as effective in studies as 150mg of clomid. Anastrozole and its uses. Half life : 46.8 hours. Arimidex is a type-II aromatize inhibitor. In the case of Arimidex, or any Type-I inhibitor, it works by binding to the substrate the aromatize enzyme thus rendering it inactive and therefore unable to convert test into estrogen.. At a dose of around both 0.5mg and 1mg estrogen was decreased by around 50% in studies, while increasing testosterone, lh and fsh. During a cycle and obviously not during post cycle therapy (pct) for the reasons mentioned above, it can prevent fat gain, and the watery appearance caused by aromatising compounds as they will be unable to convert to estrogen at anything like the normal rate. Blood plasma concentrations become stable by 7 consecutive 1mg daily doses, although maximal estrogen inhibition is reached by day 4, on cycle as it s milder than letrozole, bone mineral content and cholesterol isn***8217;t to adversely affected its affect on estradiol was maintained for up to 6 days after cessation of daily dosing with 1 mg anastrozole, and it doesn***8217;t seem to slow the function of the thyroid either. In blocking estrogen conversion it is quite effective but no where near as effective as letro wich we will now look at. Letrozole and its uses. Half life: 40 hours Again letro is a type 2 inhibitor, which means that it competitively binds to the aromatize enzyme and inhibits the enzyme***8217;s ability to metabolize testosterone into estrogen. In an extract from a study, Letrozole actually reduced estrogen in one test subject to undetectable levels , In another clinical study, intravenous administration of Letrozole (2.5mcg for 28 days), Letrozole lowered Estrogen by 46% in the young men tested, and 62% in the elderly subjects. In addition, Letrozole also significantly increased LH levels to a remarkable 339 and 323% in the young and the elderly, respectively and Testosterone by 146 and 99%, respectively. Letrozole was also able to produce a peak LH response to GRH equal to a 152 and 52% increase from baseline in either young or older men, respectively. So you may think, wow that could be used in post cycle therapy (pct), Yes it could, but it is so effective at reducing estrogen, that joints, and bones suffer, and you can expect your cholesterol lipid profile to plumet accordingly.. On cycle if using heavy aromatising compounds Letro in small doses IS very effective 0.5mg ive seen used WITH GREAT RESULTS over and over, but another reason why its not good in post cycle therapy (pct), is the negative impact on libido, as estrogen is needed for healthy sexual function, wich wont be a problem on cycle if your using steroids like test prop. Now to the final area in wich letro is untouchable..Letrozole is the only pharmacological treatment for gyno that to have ever worked in bodybuilders. In a study conducted on rodents, Letrozole was able to effectively destroy breast tissue tumors, and it***8217;s also been effective on many bodybuilders who have used it to eliminate an existing case of gynocomastia. 2.5mcgs seems to be a very useful dose in this regard, remember though with letro tapering off is vital otherwise rebound estrogen spikes will occur.. so slowly tapering the dose down is best***8230; Summary. For Post cycle therapy Aromasin is remarkable in its overall function both on increasing test, and lowering estrogen, and it doesn***8217;t interfere with FSH and nolvadex. On mild cycles Arimadex (Anastozole) is probably your best choice, it lowers estrogen, keeps you drier, doesn***8217;t impact to much on cholesterol***8230; but if used in post cycle therapy (pct) must be tapered off to avoid rebound Gyno. Talking of Gyno, Letrozole is the beast, it is just about the only thing you can take that will reduce pre existing Gyno, and it is exceptional if your using a number of wet compounds on cycle, again if running it during post cycle therapy (pct) with clomid.. not nolva it should be reduced, and tapered off to avoid rebound gyno.
 
Hi,I hope you find the above article helpful,basically your letro is by no means a waste just generally used for heavy test/androgen cycles(i.e.1000mg test and above or heavy orals like anapolon).
as u can see 0.5mg/day(quarter tab?) with heavy cycles is effective.so u could use 0.5mg EOD and you are more than covered for gyno.
If its a matter of choice arimidex generally for milder cycles,but if you think you may have gyno or want the piece of mind, the member (clamp) is right sort that first,and your letro is the is ideal item.
It really goes with with you and how serious you think it is.
Myself i find half tab arimidex EOD effective with 500mg test,your Hcg,and nolva/clomid should be fine for Pct with this cycle.
Have a good read and let me know what you decide,good luck with your cycle :)
 
I actually got rid of gyno while on my cycle hehe, ran 15mg of tamox and letro .2 eod until it went away and everything was fine, i was lucky :)
 
thats good! glad to hear it,in that article i posted it calls letro the beast for gyno,so maybe we have something here that gets rid of it without surgery,definately would not recommend to the ladies tho' hehe
 
Hi,I hope you find the above article helpful,basically your letro is by no means a waste just generally used for heavy test/androgen cycles(i.e.1000mg test and above or heavy orals like anapolon).
as u can see 0.5mg/day(quarter tab?) with heavy cycles is effective.so u could use 0.5mg EOD and you are more than covered for gyno.
If its a matter of choice arimidex generally for milder cycles,but if you think you may have gyno or want the piece of mind, the member (clamp) is right sort that first,and your letro is the is ideal item.
It really goes with with you and how serious you think it is.
Myself i find half tab arimidex EOD effective with 500mg test,your Hcg,and nolva/clomid should be fine for Pct with this cycle.
Have a good read and let me know what you decide,good luck with your cycle :)

Man I am greatly humbled by such a considerate reply of your, thanks a lot bro! Anyhow coming to the point I just had my 4th injection today ( 2 weeks in) and talking about the changes I see in my self are astounding, I feel much much more confident, happy, mood is elevated through the roof, my self esteem and respect is up a notch, my body is getting cut and hard as rocks! My skin is thinning up like paper! Most of all the little amount of gyno I had that is vanished and my chest is the perfect shape of my life i.e its firm and rock hard and I am sure thats letro showing its magic. Btw the only con or side effect i am having is that my joints are making these cracking and popping sounds plus my right elbow has starting to hurt when i do diamond pushups and as I have been told over here I guess thats also the letro kicking in and drying my joints up. However I talked to the pharmacist I bought all my gear from he agreed to exchange all my letro with arimidex but seeing letro's effectiveness I am kinda confused what to do, I was thinking reducing letro's dose to quarter tab once a week i.e 0.5mg! Would that be safe or I should just get my letro exchanged. And should I start my H.C.G now? If yes then I have one more question I have avail to 5000iu of H.C.G and I dont know how in the world would I take out 250iu out of that thing? Looking forward to your reply and thanks a lot once again :)
 
where is the best place to buy post cycle therapy (pct) from cant find any in australia need it before i start my cycle
 
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