Need to lower estrogen. Ideas?

[Schweddy]

My T levels and Estradiol have creeped up and my libido has creeped down. My current protocol is 100-120 MG E7D with no AI. I've never used AI. I suspect I have been at 120 MG for a while when I need to be at 100 MG.

My plan is to delay my next shot a few days to give me time to decrease levels and inject again at 80 -90 MG on a E7D program and retest bloods.

Any suggestions? My levels are not crazy high. I estimate my T level at the trough at 950-1050 and my Estradiol at 35-30.

Suggestions?

 

[tbonexl]

Get bloodwork and see where your levels are. It's not uncommon for guys to use an ai during trt...

 

[halfwit]

My T levels and Estradiol have creeped up and my libido has creeped down. My current protocol is 100-120 MG E7D with no AI. I've never used AI. I suspect I have been at 120 MG for a while when I need to be at 100 MG.

My plan is to delay my next shot a few days to give me time to decrease levels and inject again at 80 -90 MG on a E7D program and retest bloods.

Any suggestions? My levels are not crazy high. I estimate my T level at the trough at 950-1050 and my Estradiol at 35-30.

Suggestions?

Can you please tell us how you're estimating your levels? The title of your thread and first part of your post sounds very confident in that you have actual data supporting a known value of testosterone/estradiol, but then use the word estimate.

If you have had a recent blood test that indicates you are dealing with high E2 that's one thing, guessing is totally another. Oh, and 1k TROUGH would be quite impressive given your dose.

I do offer the suggestion that you split your dose E3.5D and see how you feel.

 

[Schweddy]

I have recent labs. Tuesday after a Saturday pin (7 day cycle) I was:

Testosterone: 1229 (348-1197 Nguyen/dL)
Estradiol: 35.0 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)

I have never had ED issues on TRT (5 years +). I have never used an AI and don't have an RX for one.

Aside from the wood issues I feel great. I was on antibiotics for the first time in several years last week. I doubt that is an issue.

Thanks all.

 

[Chiefy]

I have recent labs. Tuesday after a Saturday pin (7 day cycle) I was:

Testosterone: 1229 (348-1197 Nguyen/dL)
Estradiol: 35.0 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)

I have never had ED issues on TRT (5 years +). I have never used an AI and don't have an RX for one.

Aside from the wood issues I feel great. I was on antibiotics for the first time in several years last week. I doubt that is an issue.

Thanks all.

Your estradiol looks good here and, if anything, is possibly dropping too low by the end of the week.

This wasn't the sensitive assay for estradiol, so expect yours to actually be lower than this test shows. For reference, I've had the standard assay show my estradiol ~29 pg/ml when the sensitive assay put me in the single digits.

 

[halfwit]

Your estradiol looks good here and, if anything, is possibly dropping too low by the end of the week.

This wasn't the sensitive assay for estradiol, so expect yours to actually be lower than this test shows. For reference, I've had the standard assay show my estradiol ~29 pg/ml when the sensitive assay put me in the single digits.

Absolutely agree. Your estradiol may be a hair *low* if anything. I don't think it's estradiol or test related at all. I'd look a prolactin, and if that's fine, it my not be hormonal at all.

FYI: Many antibiotics or other prescribed drugs can absolutely cause erectile dysfunction.

Oh, and that would be a peak (barely), not a trough.

 

[Albiedamned]

Those are great numbers for a random draw. These guys are right about your actual trough E2 being lower than this reading. It is not likely the cause of your symptoms. Dropping any lower and you'll be having joint pain and aches all over.

Now if you want to look elsewhere for the source of the problem, I see no Hcg in your protocol. Besides its use to produce a little extra test from your gonads, it also produces some pregnenolone and other precursor/metabolites of hormones. Those that do not take Hcg usually benefit from supplementing with oral DHEA and pregnenolone. Both of these can help over a few weeks with libido, metabolism, and general energy when testosterone and estrogen are already in range.

Outside of this, you're gonna need to consult a specialist to diagnose and address the Libido if you don't find a solution here.

 

[Schweddy]

I have been considering adding HCG for a while. It's strange, I'm usually a raging horn dog but lately I've just not had tail on my mind. The only correlation I can find is a slightly higher Testosterone and Estradiol numbers.

I'll delay my next dose to 8 or 9 days out and then start a E 3.5 D dosing schedule and see how that works.

 

[JimiThing]

I have been considering adding HCG for a while. It's strange, I'm usually a raging horn dog but lately I've just not had tail on my mind. The only correlation I can find is a slightly higher Testosterone and Estradiol numbers.

I'll delay my next dose to 8 or 9 days out and then start a E 3.5 D dosing schedule and see how that works.

Please be sure to update so we can see if doing that changed things for you.

 

[Albiedamned]

Yes please update, you are approaching the edge of TRT where the science ends and the art begins. We need more info for our own use.