need to pick brains regarding test cycle

[kimber1911]

This is for future use. Probably in the fall. Oct or November. Looking to learn and not make a mistake w th a first time test cycle. Im fine with injections. Non issue.
I'm currently on d7 of m sten and liking the results. I have a good test base (dermacrine) and solid pct place

Acs from iml
tudca
e control
Ultra male rx
forma stanzol
Himalaya livercare
nolva if needed


What would be a good starter test cycle? I figure if I had a guideline I could read up. I read the newbie thread but just curious on you guys starter cycles and results. I have slight ocd and want to make sure I do it correctly and plan out my diet properly

 

[kimber1911]

Sorry for dual post no clue how that happened

 

[Megatron28]

Just run a test e or c cycle your first time. Keep it simple. Read the sticky threads on how to put your first cycle together.

Test
AI
hCG
PCT (clomid and Nolva)
Pre, mid and post-cycle blood work.


How old are your? Stats, goals and training experience?

 

[kimber1911]

39
6'
209
36 waist

Looking to decrease some bf and gain mass and vascular appearance.

With those products could u list some products. . I.e clomid... nolva etc?
Just educating myself for future. And after m sten how long should I wait for a true cycle?
I looked up optimum pharma for a source and I think I would go w them along w hardcore peptides for other stuff

 

[Chicago712]

dude your asking for too much... do your own research.... noone is going to let you "pick their brains" for info on shit you should learn on your own... all of this stuff is pretty much compiled in the stickies

 

[luckypaul]

You have all the right supplements you don't need listed.
LP

 

[kimber1911]

Tough crowd here lol.

Just an fyi ive gained 8 pounds in 7 days on m sten. Been in gym every day since starting. Finding myself having to force feed myself since appetite not there

 

[Megatron28]

39
6'
209
36 waist

Looking to decrease some bf and gain mass and vascular appearance.

With those products could u list some products. . I.e clomid... nolva etc?
Just educating myself for future. And after m sten how long should I wait for a true cycle?
I looked up optimum pharma for a source and I think I would go w them along w hardcore peptides for other stuff

Give the sticky threads a read and then come back here with your specific questions. Guys here love to help, but spoon feeding is a little too much. Show some initiative and your effort will be rewarded.

 

[kimber1911]

Thinking of this

Sustanon 250 eod (1000 mg per week of eod... too much for first cycle? )

Arimidex .25 or .5 eod

Start pct 14-18 days after last pin
nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Thinking of this

Sustanon 250 twice a week
eq 250 twice a week
14 weeks
Arimidex .25 or .5 twice a week
Pct clomid 50 / for 5 weeks

Advice?

Test only for your first cycle. EQ isn't all that great anyway. You'll get heaps of gains from the sus only. Some people find less sides using an enanthate or cypionate ester rather than sustanon, simply because there is less fluctuations in total test levels.

I'd start with 0.25mg Adex eod, then reassess that dose when you get your mid cycle bloodwork.

PCT should always be:
Nolva: 40/20/20/20
Clomid: 100/50/50/50 ....but you'd know if you read the stickies.

 

[RR88]

You just saw megas post?? Come on man.

 

[kimber1911]

250 twice/wk of sus on par for first time? Or e3d better

 

[PrinceDianabol]

250 twice/wk of sus on par for first time? Or e3d better

dude... seriously read the stickies, do a lil research... these are all very basic questions. This is the last time ill spoon feed it to you..

Sus is a combination of four different esters, with the shortest being prop. You always need to inject according to the shortest ester, so for prop that means either ED or EOD if you go with Sus.

If you were to choose enanthate or cyp you could inject every 3.5days.

 

[kimber1911]

I fixed original cycle.

 

[Megatron28]

Thinking of this

Sustanon 250 eod (1000 mg per week of eod... too much for first cycle? )

Arimidex .25 or .5 eod

Start pct 14-18 days after last pin
nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

1000mg per week is overkill for your first cycle. 500-750mg/week is better. How long are you looking to run your cycle for?

If you are going to use Sustanton you need to wait 4 weeks after last injection to start PCT due to the decanoate ester. Make sure you read up on the role of esters.

As recommended previously, It is easier to go with a single ester. Test E or Cyp are best. Blends make it more difficult to manage hormone levels and estradiol. Plus they complicate PCT.

You should use hCG during your cycle. Stop when starting PCT - a couple of days prior. See post #3.

You still have not addressed blood work.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I fixed original cycle.

lol, when I said pin ed or eod I didn't mean 250mg every injection. You keep the same dose per week (500mg,) just split it up into smaller injections more often.

 

[kimber1911]

I kinda figured split dose to equal 500.
Yes I would have blood done 100%

 

[Megatron28]

I kinda figured split dose to equal 500.
Yes I would have blood done 100%

Post your blood work results then. Let's see how you look.

 

[kimber1911]

Im not ready for a legitimate cycle right now. Im planning on acquiring my stuff for a late summer/fall cycle. Im gonna finish out my m sten cycle since its going pretty well. Today is day 8
I did so much reading last night my eyes actually hurt.
I read a few writeup to start pct 18 days following sust last pin and some says 3 weeks etc etc
gets confusing and maybe u guys are right about starting off with a simple e or p cycle to keep it a little easier in regards to pct timing. I just like the reviews I read about sustanon

 

[Megatron28]

Im not ready for a legitimate cycle right now. Im planning on acquiring my stuff for a late summer/fall cycle. Im gonna finish out my m sten cycle since its going pretty well. Today is day 8
I did so much reading last night my eyes actually hurt.
I read a few writeup to start pct 18 days following sust last pin and some says 3 weeks etc etc
gets confusing and maybe u guys are right about starting off with a simple e or p cycle to keep it a little easier in regards to pct timing. I just like the reviews I read about sustanon

Propionate, enanthate, undecanoate and cypionate are just different esters used as a delivery mechanism for the testosterone. They have different half lives. But in the end they are all the same testosterone. Sustanton is just a blend of these different testosterone esters.