Nelson's theory on clomid???

I was under the impression that clomid does work. Only because thru the rumour mill I heard Peter North (the porn star) uses clomid to give his famous Peter North "showers" I am pretty sure testosterone has a little something to do with it. Anyone know for sure?
 
Here's all the evidence I need:

Abstract 798 MSSE Suppl 2000

Pharmaceutical intervention of anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism – our success at restoration of the hpg axis

Scally C, Street C

High-dose anabolic-androgenic steroid (AAS) administration results in hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (HH). Physical manifestations can include one or more of the following: depression, decreased sexual desire, impotence, feelings of apathy, testicular atrophy, and loss of muscle mass and strength. Due to feedback inhibition, laboratory values drop well below established physiologic norms: leutinizing hormone (LH) > 3.6 IU/L, follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) > 2.25 IU/L, and testosterone y 300 ng/dL. A search of the literature reveals an absence of studies dealing specifically with AAS-induced HH, and restoration of normal endocrine function.
We report on two interesting cases of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) using bodybuilders who were brought out of the hypogonadal state. Blood samples were taken in the morning for both subjects and analysed using chemiluminescence (Quest diagnostics, Irving, TX). Post therapy samples were taken 15 days after the last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) injection.

Case I: 6’0’’ 206 lbs., 33 years old Caucasian male with a 10+ year history of steroid-administration for bodybuilding and Powerlifting. By his own admission he was a “heavy” user, taking from 500 mg/week to 2+ grams/week. Pre-treatment values: LH>1.0 IU/L, T 191 ng/dL. One course of therapy (32 days) was given: 2,500 IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every 4 days (8 injections total), 50 mg clomifen bid and 10 mg tamoxifen qd. Despite massive drug use patient was an exceptionally good responder. Post-treatment values: LH 5.2 IU/L, T 1072 ng/dL.

Case 2: 5’10’’ 184 lbs, 36 years old Caucasian male with a 2 year history of continuous nandrolone use (200-400 mg/week). Pre treatment values: LH >1.0 IU/L, T 45 ng/dL. Treatment I (32 days): 2,500 IU Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every 4 days (8 total), clomifen 50 mg bid, arimidex 1 mg qd. Post values: LH > 1.0 IU/L, T 38 ng/dL. Treatment 2 (60 days): 5,000 IU Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every 4 days (4 inj. total), followed by 2,500 IU Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every 4 d (4 inj. total), clomifen (50 mg bid) and tamoxifen (10 mg qd). Post-values: LH > 1.4 IU/L, T 63 ng/dL. Treatment 3 (32 days): 5,000 IU Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) qod (6 inj. total) followed by 2,500 IU Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) qod (6 inj. total) given simultaneously with menotropins 150 IU qod (6 inj. total), clomifen (50 mg bid) and tamoxifen (10 mg bid). Post-values: LH 9.8 IU/L, T 507 ng/dL.
Restoration of the HPG axis, even in severe cases of hypogonadism, is possible with combined therapies and careful monitoring of the patient. With continued popularity of these drugs, long-term androgen deficiency is a health concern for former Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users.
 
That actually says if you use his method AND your method together it works. Look up Macro post on Elite if you want something to beat Nelson over the head with. But really bro, let it go. No matter what evidence you present he won't change his tune. You're talking to the wall.
 
This is my first experience with a debate with Nelson. It's amazing how he lures people into these senseless discussions. He truly is the King of Controversy.
 
Well Nelson says to only use proviron is anything.

What are your thoughts about that?? A lot of pros use proviron no?
 
Proviron/Nolva/Clomid...take your pick. Everyone seems to have a different opinion on this. According to Nelson in his infinite wisdom "PROVIRON is far superior to Clomid in every way. For one thing, it DECREASES SHBG whereas Clomid increases it." Now, as people have pointed out to good ole Nelson you want higher SHBG levels after a cycle.

"Higher SHBG levels means more bound test = faster recovery,then low free test leads to a bigger release of LH wich should be a good thing post cycle ,You will have less free test but the total amount of test will be the same. A bigger amount of free test will inhibit LHRH/LH by negative feedback, making the rise in total test slower. But u also decrease your muscle retention. Its a pretty even trade-off" .

Also, posted my was the following:

"When your body's SHBG levels rise, it is usually accompanied by a rise in total test. I think the 2 main issues after a cycle is getting your balls to respond on one hand (that's what Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is for), and downregulating estrogen on the other hand (clomid and/or nolva, to each his own)".
 
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