New cycle, slow gains, massive test levels. opinions??

[Kill_thatshit]

.25 letro ed or eod brother, holy crap, lol. Im not a big fan of that stuff, it hinders gains, i find it drys you out really nice but not enough Estrogen can be unhealthy just like too much can. What does your diet look like?? Thats the main factor in why guys dont gain like they think they will on a cycle.

Are you talking .25mg or .25 ml/1/4 ml. Since the dosage isn't a 1/1 I have to clarify. To achieve .25mg I would have to dose it at like .9ml and that's still .28. See mine is a liquid I was reading they say about 1/4 the dosage of 2.5mg standerd pill is were you want to be. So I was thinking 1/4 EOD would be good.

All my gear comes from a good source I know a lot of you bros use. he directed me towards this and the dosage. I'm glade understand we can read for days on different sites and pages but for what I'm using it for to get a correct dosage there really isn't a direct page I can go to. This is my first go with Letro and ya it's potent. I'm willing to bet I cut back and I will see a difference.

I'm glad everyone has given me the advice they have it's been really helpful.
So thank all of you...

My diet is great man my buddies wife is a dietitian she has helped me clean up my high cal/carb/protein diet. But I'm very familiar with this aspect of it. In now way would I ever expect to achieve gains with anything without the staples and hard work. That includes diet.

 

[Kill_thatshit]

Well E levels are back and 11, holy hell I did drop the dose to .25mg or 1/10ml EOD but dr said just stop taking it all together.

My concern is that shit takes so long to stanblize in the blood. I've wasted basically and entire cycle and still got gino :/...

 

[Kill_thatshit]

No one has anymore input? My E levels are 11 I dropped the dosage of Letro significantly to .25mg EOD. But this shit takes so damn long to stabilize in the blood. I don't know test levels are way up but the low estrogen deff has completely hindered my gains. I can't believe I haven't felt the effects of that low of E.

What do we think guys just lay off the AI like the DR says or keep running at .25?

Stop the cycle, post and get new blood levels. Recycle after I've leveled out?

 

[KingPen]

No one has anymore input? My E levels are 11 I dropped the dosage of Letro significantly to .25mg EOD. But this shit takes so damn long to stabilize in the blood. I don't know test levels are way up but the low estrogen deff has completely hindered my gains. I can't believe I haven't felt the effects of that low of E.

What do we think guys just lay off the AI like the DR says or keep running at .25?

Stop the cycle, post and get new blood levels. Recycle after I've leveled out?

Im not really sure what 11% estrogen is..? Do you have the units it was measured in, and a range for your numbers?

And I would recommend to keep using your AI, at your current dose .25mg EOD.

 

[Kill_thatshit]

Im not really sure what 11% estrogen is..? Do you have the units it was measured in, and a range for your numbers?

And I would recommend to keep using your AI, at your current dose .25mg EOD.

I'm sorry I meant literally 11 and I was busy yesterday when they called but I believe they said I should be between 80-120. I am calling them back as soon as they open I have some more questions for them.

I worked a 24 a we ran our assess of.

 

[Kill_thatshit]

By the way I want to thank everyone for all the input.

 

[Black Beard]

You're welcome

 

[Matt0071]

Well for starters at 150 pounds u shouldnt be touching aas bro, I would be investing my money in food then steroids

 

[Matt0071]

Dont care if u are at 7 percent bf, chizeled abs u need to gain some size man

 

[Kill_thatshit]

Dont care if u are at 7 percent bf, chizeled abs u need to gain some size man

Shit I deff am not 150 pounds brother. I'm sitting at 170 only because I tour my upper bicep tendon, had rotator cuff damage, and so much inflammation that I needed a decompression surgery as well. I dropped to 150 155. I was sitting at 190 with that said. Everyone is different in how we grow. I will gladly put money on it I have a cleaner higher calorie diet than 90% of the users on on here. I don't need a lecture on foods and eating. Pound for pound all natural I would destroy you in the gym or comp man. I've been in the game all natural long enough. I am a medical professional and am a certified fitness trainer with a bachelors to back that up.

 

[Kill_thatshit]

Well for starters at 150 pounds u shouldnt be touching aas bro, I would be investing my money in food then steroids

Pro body builder my ass let's see that pro card

 

[Matt0071]

Lol man I dont care if u eat clean and a fitness trainer, at 160 or 170lbs is still small by all means being on gear, I would rather be 15 percent bf pushing 220 then at 7 percent at 160
Fuck learn how to eat instesd of eating rabit food bro

 

[Matt0071]

Dont understand guys doing gear at 160lbs lmao, like total waste of coin to gain 15 poundd and still look small

 

[Kill_thatshit]

Dont understand guys doing gear at 160lbs lmao, like total waste of coin to gain 15 poundd and still look small

Talk all that bullshit you want bro, like I said you wouldn't get a secound look on stage when standing next to me. Don't think for a minute being 220 is impressive when all you know is "learn to eat bro" when you yourself most likely eat like shit. You just want to fit in so your using the old learn to eat bro line. You clearly know nothing about anatomy and physiology of the human body. I've gone all natural from 100-195 took years and more hard work than you've probably put into anything except tying to please a woman. Cut prior to my first comp down to 180. Stood out of the crowd. But you should know PRO BODYBUILDER. Look man your you have no advice, you can not speak from experience. All you are is building your post count. I could give a fuk less what you think I eat or how you think I train. I've got more experience in this field than you will ever posses due to you thinking you know everything how can you learn more. Cup already full metaphor.

Keep your loud, lame ass nonsense off my post we have addressed the issues and are now, continuing the same path to see if we have results or what is called trending.

All you are is an overweight goon that has used a little gear hear and there, lifted a little without any knowledge of anything and somehow think your an expert in the feild.

Look I don't spend enough time on here and when I do I only want to speak with people of greater knowledge. Or who would like some advice. Not argue with the Einstein of dietitian, fitness, gear.

Keep it reall brother, get your e levels checked your getting to emotional .

 

[Rastas]

Oh snap!

 

[Rastas]

Dont understand guys doing gear at 160lbs lmao, like total waste of coin to gain 15 poundd and still look small

Settle down, Matty. You're a good bloke but you're coming off as a bit of a dick here. The OP is obviously quite knowledgeable and you're causing this thread to stray WAY off topic. The whole point was to determine why the OP wasn't gaining with such a high level of testosterone running through his veins. We speculated, decided it was his estrogen levels, or lack-thereof, and the problem was pin pointed by the OP with further blood work. We can ALL learn from this!

 

[Kill_thatshit]

Well, now it's just a game of eat, train hard, sleep and get more blood work in a few weeks to see how my overall levels have stabilized.

Again I want to thank all of you for your advice sometimes we get stuck in thinking we know enough and are doing everything right. "Can't be something I'm doing." Must be the product lol. Well with levels like that can't denie science. I needed to take a step back clear my head and you all helped me do so.

I'll let everyone know how my levels look next time around.

As for now onto a few new threads

 

[banzi]

Dont understand guys doing gear at 160lbs lmao, like total waste of coin to gain 15 poundd and still look small

A 160lb guy in shape can look bigger and more impressive than someone 220 and fat.
It just depends waht you want, look big in clothes or look big stripped, I would choose the later.
Its great to surprise people.

 

[Southernfish]

Are you talking .25mg or .25 ml/1/4 ml. Since the dosage isn't a 1/1 I have to clarify. To achieve .25mg I would have to dose it at like .9ml and that's still .28. See mine is a liquid I was reading they say about 1/4 the dosage of 2.5mg standerd pill is were you want to be. So I was thinking 1/4 EOD would be good.

All my gear comes from a good source I know a lot of you bros use. he directed me towards this and the dosage. I'm glade understand we can read for days on different sites and pages but for what I'm using it for to get a correct dosage there really isn't a direct page I can go to. This is my first go with Letro and ya it's potent. I'm willing to bet I cut back and I will see a difference.

I'm glad everyone has given me the advice they have it's been really helpful.
So thank all of you...

My diet is great man my buddies wife is a dietitian she has helped me clean up my high cal/carb/protein diet. But I'm very familiar with this aspect of it. In now way would I ever expect to achieve gains with anything without the staples and hard work. That includes diet.

You want .25mg, how many Mgs is in 1cc of your product? Man Im surprised you can even get your dick up at such a high dose lol

 

[Kill_thatshit]

You want .25mg, how many Mgs is in 1cc of your product? Man Im surprised you can even get your dick up at such a high dose lol

I've got it all dosed out brother, 2.5mg/ml to achieve .25mg EOD I dose 1/10th ml.

And I agree a hundred percent on the dick part it actually blew my mind. That mother fuckers a champ. I can tell you Letro will no longer be used as cycle assist. Although my dr wanted me to completely discontinue use knowing I was still dosing the other products at the same amount. I told him what I was doing and why. He openly admits this is not his area of expertise but he explained the complications with E levels like that. Nothing I did not already know. I decided to dose EOD at the .25mg after reading from multiple sites that seems to be the sweet spot. I am going back into have blood levels checked early Jan. The shitty thing is Letro takes so long to stabilize in the blood but I am hoping I will see improvements in my levels. I already feel better in general and in the gym.

Thanks for pointing me in that direction, Letro seems to be the black sheep. It's to unpredictable and hard to dose.