New cycle, slow gains, massive test levels. opinions??

[Kill_thatshit]

I'm going into my 8th week now, almost zero sides, low gains, massive increase in test levels. Just wondering what your thought are with my gains thus far, and free test levels with what I'm using. I'm multi dosing every sun,tue,fri 1ml of each.

1-4 oral dbol 50mg daily
1-15 Sust 250: 1ml/250mg every sun,tue,fri
2-15 NPP 100ml/mg every sun, tue,fri
Letro 2.5mg/ml: 1ml ed

Starting weight 157 7%bf
Current weight 164 6%bf

Gym routine, isolation style
Abs/cest
Back/traps/calves
Abs/bi/tri/forearms
Shoulders/traps
Abs/legs
Continues rotation, free weights and cables to really involve the core.
Diet 1 cheat day, clean at 5k cals, protein intake is currently right around 250g, high carb morning, before and after workout.

Other supplements
Blend proteins weight gainers
Super foods in the morning
Multi
Extra vitamin C
9g fish oils throughout the day
Creatine, arginine, BCAA, ultra amino complex,beta-alanine, d-aspartic acid,
Some liver support

I won't give the break down of how I take this unless you feel it's pertinent or want to know for your own usage.

3rd cycle, my gains have been very slow really I believed they were only coming from the diet and hard work. They are the same gains I get normally. I was thinking my gear was under dosed. But had my levels checked and free T at 3000 with almost no sides but one sore nip. Wow I'm kinda lost. Anyone want to chime in. I was really looking to pack on the weight and size I'm just coming back from a year long recover after doing serious damage to my shoulder. Anyway just looking to see what you bros think. About the slow gains high levels and so forth.

 

[KingBF]

up the training and up the calories...I find it hard to believe you eat a clean 5k. post your diet

 

[thades]

You know yourself better than us, but that is a TON of letro...I can't run even a quarter of that dose. Have you used that dose before? You really don't wanna completely crash your estro

 

[KingPen]

I'm going into my 8th week now, almost zero sides, low gains, massive increase in test levels. Just wondering what your thought are with my gains thus far, and free test levels with what I'm using. I'm multi dosing every sun,tue,fri 1ml of each.

1-4 oral dbol 50mg daily
1-15 Sust 250: 1ml/250mg every sun,tue,fri
2-15 NPP 100ml/mg every sun, tue,fri
Letro 2.5mg/ml: 1ml ed

Starting weight 157 7%bf
Current weight 164 6%bf

Gym routine, isolation style
Abs/cest
Back/traps/calves
Abs/bi/tri/forearms
Shoulders/traps
Abs/legs
Continues rotation, free weights and cables to really involve the core.
Diet 1 cheat day, clean at 5k cals, protein intake is currently right around 250g, high carb morning, before and after workout.

Other supplements
Blend proteins weight gainers
Super foods in the morning
Multi
Extra vitamin C
9g fish oils throughout the day
Creatine, arginine, BCAA, ultra amino complex,beta-alanine, d-aspartic acid,
Some liver support

I won't give the break down of how I take this unless you feel it's pertinent or want to know for your own usage.

3rd cycle, my gains have been very slow really I believed they were only coming from the diet and hard work. They are the same gains I get normally. I was thinking my gear was under dosed. But had my levels checked and free T at 3000 with almost no sides but one sore nip. Wow I'm kinda lost. Anyone want to chime in. I was really looking to pack on the weight and size I'm just coming back from a year long recover after doing serious damage to my shoulder. Anyway just looking to see what you bros think. About the slow gains high levels and so forth.

The one thing that caught my eye is your Letrozole dosing. If I am correct, your are taking 2.5mg Everyday? This seems very excessive. I would be curious what your estrogen levels are like.. Have you gotten your estrogen tested recently?

Too low of estrogen could be part of the reason as to why your gains have been slow.

 

[Kill_thatshit]

They did not test my e levels, I am going back Monday to have them tested. The recommended dosage was 2.5-5 ED or EOD I was dosing at 2.5EOD and devolved some gino so I started ED I would be glad to kick it back this is my first go with Letro.

 

[KingPen]

They did not test my e levels, I am going back Monday to have them tested. The recommended dosage was 2.5-5 ED or EOD I was dosing at 2.5EOD and devolved some gino so I started ED I would be glad to kick it back this is my first go with Letro.

Well once you get your blood work, you will know for sure whether or not your dosage needs adjusting.

 

[Kill_thatshit]

Up the training? I'm on a 5 day loop! If I take a day off its due to being at the firehouse and were busy as shit.

I would be glad to post my diet for you. Clean for me and you may be different I try and keep my sodium levels low, my trans and saturated fats low with my Monounsaturated fat & Polyunsaturated fats a little higher. All the calories I take in will cause my body to create fat anyway. This being needed for the most part. I trying to avoid spiking my cholesterol. But I will go Into more detail for you soon this is a pain in the ass on my phone.

 

[Kill_thatshit]

Well once you get your blood work, you will know for sure whether or not your dosage needs adjusting.

Ya I was pissed they didn't check I was doing to full labs and he know what I was taking with the dosages. Although on a good note my my asp and alp are great.

 

[n0limits]

What's your training like? I try to do a compound movement every time I train and then I will do isolation work after. I feel like that has really helped me grow. Other than that, if you are actually eating 5,000 CLEAN cals every day maybe you could try throwing in more "cheat" foods here and there to up the calories even more.

 

[Black Beard]

Holy letroman. We should call you the Letro man. That shit is potent as fuck. I would get bloodwork done. Then we can further assist you.

 

[Kill_thatshit]

Holy letroman. We should call you the Letro man. That shit is potent as fuck. I would get bloodwork done. Then we can further assist you.

Letroman the E suppresser. No other power but.... Well I should have it Tuesday hopefully if not Wednesday for sure. Why they didn't check that knowing what I was dosing amazes me. But he was more just running the standard male panels I'm sure. I will post as soon as I get it. In the mean time what dosages are most of you running Letro when you do with a simple cycle like this.

 

[Kill_thatshit]

What's your training like? I try to do a compound movement every time I train and then I will do isolation work after. I feel like that has really helped me grow. Other than that, if you are actually eating 5,000 CLEAN cals every day maybe you could try throwing in more "cheat" foods here and there to up the calories even more.

Well there will always be compound movements in my routine. It is damn near impossible to isolate on joint one muscle. But I target a specific muscle group that day and focus on the different angles. Compounds come into play with back, chest, shoulders traps. This I'm sure we all know. So when I say isolation I should elaborate a little more. I have found lately that I personally am seeing more benefits from targeting a direct muscle group and then hitting the opposing muscles the next day. Old school thinking but it has worked great.

Of course certain muscles groups get more work with higher reps, forearms, calves, traps for me I have found more benefits in this. Some may disagree and that is fine. I train enough people to know we have to find a medium everyone is different.

Now I can't complain so much, I'm strong as hell and cut to shit this is nice. Most think I'm at least 190. I have built a good solid well rounded frame. But I do want the mass this I can work from once I've achieved it.

Things I don't understand so much are, my pumps just aren't there like with other cycles. My water retention is so minimal it's amazing. I still get pumped I still get great workouts. My results are just slow slow not what I expected no Sust and NPP

 

[Norsegod]

It's deff a lack of estrogen. You need estrogen to remain in an an anabolic state. That is WAY WAY to much letro, but I'm sure you've noticed with the responses by now. haha. make sure you research your compounds before you use yourself as a lab rat!

 

[Kill_thatshit]

It's deff a lack of estrogen. You need estrogen to remain in an an anabolic state. That is WAY WAY to much letro, but I'm sure you've noticed with the responses by now. haha. make sure you research your compounds before you use yourself as a lab rat!

Well this could be the case an I believe it may be but until my blood work is redone to show what my E levels are to say that is a defiant and what is causing this is just an opinion not a fact. Although I believe in what everyone is saying.

Please don't just assume someone has not done there research on a product because it is not dosed as you would take it. The recommend dosage for Letro is 2.5-5mg a day. All I want to know from the Bros who have used it is: with what cycle, how did they dose it and ed or. EOD

 

[Kill_thatshit]

Also low E levels in men account for large body fat increase this I have no problems with, low sex drive this I have a take it or leave it attitude were with a test level of 3000 you'd think I would be able to keep the little guy at bay. But what I can say is I have no problems in that area.

At 3079T level I would think my conversion ratio would be very high so I would think I would see a lot of signs of this which I have not.

 

[OoberNoob]

Holy crap...that much letro? Are you trolling? Oh and eat mo chicken!!!

 

[Kill_thatshit]

Holy crap...that much letro? Are you trolling? Oh and eat mo chicken!!!

My damn costco closed walmart doesn't sell the huge bulk of chicken damn walmart. I eats me some chicken though. Tonight I think I'm doing tilapia with a few sides I had chicken the last two nights.

Ok ok I'll will figure out a lower dosage of Letro how about .5 EOD that's 1.25mg or if I cut that in half that's what like .63mg.

 

[Black Beard]

Is that the recomended dosage for stage 3 female breast cancer? LOL

 

[Southernfish]

.25 letro ed or eod brother, holy crap, lol. Im not a big fan of that stuff, it hinders gains, i find it drys you out really nice but not enough Estrogen can be unhealthy just like too much can. What does your diet look like?? Thats the main factor in why guys dont gain like they think they will on a cycle.

 

[Kill_thatshit]

Lol I hope not. I believe that was 5mg. I read your sites profile on ot. A lot different than the information I was given prior. Still no dosage recamendations but gives me a strong idea I need to cut it back about 3/4 with how potent it is.