New to TRT, STILL FEEL THE SAME !

[Megatron28]

Wooh, this guy likes hypotheticals. That's actually starting to make a lot more sense, unfortunately it's still not valid enough evidence to preach a theory without clear forwarning. In your hypothetical medication protocol, where do spikes in consequential hormones come into play? Wiki's the go to place for relevant and reliable information.

Not seeing grounds to your theory, sadly, although the anologies are compelling whilst also being inadequate to the topic.

There is my own personal experience, but you place no value upon that either so I won't bother sharing that experience with you. I have actual blood work results.

You can inject once a year or once a decade for all I care. Let us know how it works out for you and make sure you share your peak and trough blood work with us. Let's see how stable your TT and E2 levels are on whatever dosing protocol you choose.

 

[Alpin]

You started that 300 mg/week TRT protocol yet?
You're going to start with 1 mg adex 3 times a week too right from the beginning?
Keep us posted. I'm interested in finding out how fast your HCT will hit the upper stratosphere with crashed Estradiol levels.

 

[Jackadee]

Jackadee

2 times weekly injections reduce estradiol conversion of Test.
I have labs to prove it. I can inject LESS Testosterone than on once weekly shots and still have a 900 ng/dl trough level with a dramatic reduction in serum estradiol.
You just started on TRT kid. I been using it for YEARS.......
i know how the stuff works and I have not met ANY doc who starts their patient especially a 19 year old kid off at 300 mg a week and 3 mg a week of arimidex. This is unheard of. This doc you have is taking great risks with your health. Which makes me question if he is a real doc. And i say he because i am sure no female endo would prescribe such an outrageous beginning dose.

I am definitely seeing warrant in this theory now to be honest. Although, to state it as fact for everybody is misguided. I appreciate your tone with me It is a deffinant possibility for experimentation moving forward and I will gladly admit a positive outcome! Also, I am glad for you results if they are actual.

I appreciate all of your collective experience. I will be bringing up the dosages, and asking for a 200mg weekly shot of pure cup. as well as a discontinuation of Addex until I recieve updated E2 levels in a month. It is a he, and seems extremely willing to help. Thank you for your reply!

 

[Jackadee]

You started that 300 mg/week TRT protocol yet?
You're going to start with 1 mg adex 3 times a week too right from the beginning?
Keep us posted. I'm interested in finding out how fast your HCT will hit the upper stratosphere with crashed Estradiol levels.

This was rather spiteful. Please, be quiet. Read my other reply for further information on my "protocol". I wished no illness on any on else, I suggest you have the decency to d the same.

 

[Megatron28]

Here is a recent study for you touting the benefits of the undecanoate ester. Many of us do not use it so we inject more frequently to reduce the "roller coaster" effect discussed in this study. We don't just make this stuff up. Unlike you, we can provide evidence and experience for pur assertions.

Testosterone compounds have been available for almost 70 years, but the pharmaceutical formulations have been less than ideal. Traditionally, injectable testosterone esters have been used for treatment, but they generate supranormal testosterone levels shortly after the 2- to 3-weekly injection interval and then testosterone levels decline very rapidly, becoming subnormal in the days before the next injection. The rapid fluctuations in plasma testosterone are subjectively experienced as disagreeable. Testosterone undecanoate is a new injectable testosterone preparation with a considerably better pharmacokinetic profile. After 2 initial injections with a 6-week interval, the following intervals between two injections are almost always 12-weeks, amounting eventually to a total of 4 injections per year. Plasma testosterone levels with this preparation are nearly always in the range of normal men, so are its ********* products estradiol and dihydrotestosterone. The ***8220;roller coaster***8221; effects of traditional parenteral testosterone injections are not apparent. It reverses the effects of hypogonadism on bone and muscle and ********* parameters and on sexual functions. Its safety profile is excellent due to the continuous normalcy of plasma testosterone levels. No polycythemia has been observed, and no adverse effects on lipid profiles. Prostate safety parameters are well within reference limits. There was no impairment of uroflow. Testosterone undecanoate is a valuable contribution to the treatment options of androgen deficiency.

Testosterone depot injection in male hypogonadism: a critical appraisal

 

[Jackadee]

There is my own personal experience, but you place no value upon that either so I won't bother sharing that experience with you. I have actual blood work results.

You can inject once a year or once a decade for all I care. Let us know how it works out for you and make sure you share your peak and trough blood work with us. Let's see how stable your TT and E2 levels are on whatever dosing protocol you choose.

Someone's cranky. I will keep you posted if you like, with your helpful information I will continue to elevate my health thank you.

 

[Billegitimate]

Well as long as you enjoy decency, how about not telling people that they're acting like a child? That would be quite decent of you, Jackadee.

As for your no evidence for more frequent injections, my question is more frequent compared to what? What is the frequency you have evidence for?

 

[Jackadee]

Here is a recent study for you touting the benefits of the undecanoate ester. Many of us do not use it so we inject more frequently to reduce the "roller coaster" effect discussed in this study. We don't just make this stuff up. Unlike you, we can provide evidence and experience for pur assertions.

Testosterone compounds have been available for almost 70 years, but the pharmaceutical formulations have been less than ideal. Traditionally, injectable testosterone esters have been used for treatment, but they generate supranormal testosterone levels shortly after the 2- to 3-weekly injection interval and then testosterone levels decline very rapidly, becoming subnormal in the days before the next injection. The rapid fluctuations in plasma testosterone are subjectively experienced as disagreeable. Testosterone undecanoate is a new injectable testosterone preparation with a considerably better pharmacokinetic profile. After 2 initial injections with a 6-week interval, the following intervals between two injections are almost always 12-weeks, amounting eventually to a total of 4 injections per year. Plasma testosterone levels with this preparation are nearly always in the range of normal men, so are its ********* products estradiol and dihydrotestosterone. The ***8220;roller coaster***8221; effects of traditional parenteral testosterone injections are not apparent. It reverses the effects of hypogonadism on bone and muscle and ********* parameters and on sexual functions. Its safety profile is excellent due to the continuous normalcy of plasma testosterone levels. No polycythemia has been observed, and no adverse effects on lipid profiles. Prostate safety parameters are well within reference limits. There was no impairment of uroflow. Testosterone undecanoate is a valuable contribution to the treatment options of androgen deficiency.

Testosterone depot injection in male hypogonadism: a critical appraisal

I see no mention of twice weekly injections? You cannot and have not ever backed your assertions with consistent data, so don't point figures when you have none to point.

 

[Megatron28]

I see no mention of twice weekly injections? You cannot and have not ever backed your assertions with consistent data, so don't point figures when you have none to point.

I think you are missing the point of the study and how esters and half life's work. I can't do any more to try and help you. You seem to think you know it all after your one injection. Good luck to you. I hope you get healthy and cure the ills listed in your Bio.

 

[Jackadee]

Well as long as you enjoy decency, how about not telling people that they're acting like a child? That would be quite decent of you, Jackadee.

As for your no evidence for more frequent injections, my question is more frequent compared to what? What is the frequency you have evidence for?

Can I not call a sheep a sheep? Is this 1940 Germany? No testosterone based study I can find is based on injection frequencies higher than weekly. I propose no theory, I have no duty of providing evidence.

 

[Jackadee]

I think you are missing the point of the study and how esters and half life's work. I can't do any more to try and help you. You seem to think you know it all after your one injection. Good luck to you. I hope you get healthy and cure the ills listed in your Bio.

Perhaps, I will rre read it tomorrow, it I rather late here. Goodnight! I have not ever stated I know everything, do not put words in my mouth and detach yourself emotionally on fact based issues would be my only recommendation. I honestly do appreciate the well wishes, thank you and I wish good health for you as well! Truly.

 

[Megatron28]

I see no mention of twice weekly injections? You cannot and have not ever backed your assertions with consistent data, so don't point figures when you have none to point.

Can you think of a way that one could could counteract the following effects identified in this scientific study?


Traditionally, injectable testosterone esters have been used for treatment, but they generate supranormal testosterone levels shortly after the 2- to 3-weekly injection interval and then testosterone levels decline very rapidly, becoming subnormal in the days before the next injection. The rapid fluctuations in plasma testosterone are subjectively experienced as disagreeable.

 

[Billegitimate]

Well, of course you can, sweetheart! Call all the sheep you see a sheep. Just a couple of posts up, you told someone else to be decent, and asked them to be quiet. At this point I've only got two interpretations:

1) you are so young, naive, and ignorant that you are clueless on how to interact with others in a mature fashion
2) you are intentionally acting this way to be a troll, to get attention, and for the enjoyment of seeing the energy you can spin up

Luckily my action in either case is the same. Nice chatting with you, I'll be ignoring you from here out. I hope others do the same until you learn how to respectfully engage.

 

[Jackadee]

Well, of course you can, sweetheart! Call all the sheep you see a sheep. Just a couple of posts up, you told someone else to be decent, and asked them to be quiet. At this point I've only got two interpretations:

1) you are so young, naive, and ignorant that you are clueless on how to interact with others in a mature fashion
2) you are intentionally acting this way to be a troll, to get attention, and for the enjoyment of seeing the energy you can spin up

Luckily my action in either case is the same. Nice chatting with you, I'll be ignoring you from here out. I hope others do the same until you learn how to respectfully engage.

Respect is a two way street. You seem fairly dim so you won't be missed *waves*.

 

[Captain America]

Just curious, but what happened to the OP? I was actually interested in this thread and it seems to have been derailed. OP what is the latest on your situation?

 

[Alpin]

This was rather spiteful. Please, be quiet. Read my other reply for further information on my "protocol". I wished no illness on any on else, I suggest you have the decency to d the same.

I wished no illness on you. Therefore let me be clear....
Do not start adex off the bat at those doses. Always start low and then adjust by labwork. I know what its like to have estradiol at both end of ranges (high and low). Its not fun.
Whats wrobg with starting at 100 mg a week with no a.i. ?
Why the big guns off the bat???
Are you serious that this stuff is actually prescribed by a licensed physician?
This is a first for me hearing such extreme protocols off the bat for a teenager non the less.

 

[Alpin]

I am definitely seeing warrant in this theory now to be honest. Although, to state it as fact for everybody is misguided. I appreciate your tone with me It is a deffinant possibility for experimentation moving forward and I will gladly admit a positive outcome! Also, I am glad for you results if they are actual.

I appreciate all of your collective experience. I will be bringing up the dosages, and asking for a 200mg weekly shot of pure cup. as well as a discontinuation of Addex until I recieve updated E2 levels in a month. It is a he, and seems extremely willing to help. Thank you for your reply!

I've been posting here for years. 60 mg E3D gives me 830 ng TT trough. 70 mg E3D gives me 1277 ng TT trough.
At 300 mg a week (or 150 mg twice per week). I can't even begin to imagine what my TT would be with probably super high HCT and in desperate need of a phlebotomy a month in.

 

[halfape211]

Wow!!! You have to admit this thread was entertaining. lol I've never seen so many people insulted in just one thread. Billegitimate was accused of being dim witted, Apollon was told to be quiet and Megatron was said to be cranky. I feel left out. The least he could have done was call me an a**hole.

 

[Megatron28]

You can have the pole up my ass comment halfape.

Go easy on the kid guys. He is hypogonadal and has gyno. None of us were our cheery selves until we got test back in us.

 

[Billegitimate]

What? I was accused of being dim witted? I must not have picked up on that, being a bit slow. .

Trolls only exist on the internet. In real life the feedback loops would fix their behavior or remove them from your social circles very quickly.