Nolvadex only during PCT??

[Presario2200]

Could I get away using Nolvadex during a post cycle therapy (pct) after a test cycle(14 weeks long) if I can't get HCG"??? I have 20mg tabs. How many mgs a day should I take and for how long??

Please be advised that my connects is missing and no where to be found and all I have left is Tribulous and Nolvadex.

FYI... I did place an order during my cycle for a Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but this guy never gave me fucken shit!!!!!! SO its not my fault, this guy never had it when I bought all my test.

 

[superstarmike]

if your nuts are still hanging you can do without the hcg, i run clomid for post cycle therapy (pct) but i know you can use nolv. that drug is stonger than clomid, so i would cut it in half so iy would go like this 300mg clomid 1st day so thats 150mg nolva 100mg clomid 2nd day do 50 nolva then 25mg ed for a few weeks, keep going until you have the drive to screw and work out without the nolva

 

[Presario2200]

if your nuts are still hanging you can do without the hcg, i run clomid for post cycle therapy (pct) but i know you can use nolv. that drug is stonger than clomid, so i would cut it in half so iy would go like this 300mg clomid 1st day so thats 150mg nolva 100mg clomid 2nd day do 50 nolva then 25mg ed for a few weeks, keep going until you have the drive to screw and work out without the nolva

woooow, thats alot of mg's. I dont know if i have enough. hows 60 mgs or 40 mgs of nolva a day? My nutts did shrink a bit for sure.

 

[Jjaden]

I just ran a post cycle therapy (pct) after 16 weeks of Test/EQ.

Source dried up and had no access to Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) so I was in the same boat with Nolva only.
I ran 14 days Nolva @ 40mg followed by another 14 days Nolva @ 20mg.

Still had shrinkage untill about 2 weeks after my last Nolva dose, now my boys have finally returned.

Will never run a cycle again without having the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in my hands prior to starting the cycle, this unexpected source bust really screwed me.

Hope that helps.

 

[buffalobencher]

For years I never did post cycle therapy (pct) correctly and recently discovered that both nolvadex and clomid work much better and faster if you lower total estrogen before pct.. This can be done with arimidex, aromasin or the over the counter products like reboundxt or novadex xt. The problem after long test cycles is that there is alot of estrogen which eventually works against recovery especially when test levels are low from coming off. If you reduce the estrogen a couple weeks before starting clomid or nolva the dose of the SERM can be reduced and only used for 2-3 weeks. I posted on another thread about novadex xt which contains ATD(AI). I had the best recovery ever after a 6 month cycle. I only used clomid at 100 days 1-3 and then 50 at 4-21 and recovered with minimal loss of gains. I also retained a hard and vascular look after post cycle therapy (pct). I would guess aromasin or arimidex would work even better, but I tried it with an OTC product since I had a few bottles on hand.

 

[Presario2200]

I just ran a post cycle therapy (pct) after 16 weeks of Test/EQ.

Source dried up and had no access to Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) so I was in the same boat with Nolva only.
I ran 14 days Nolva @ 40mg followed by another 14 days Nolva @ 20mg.

Still had shrinkage untill about 2 weeks after my last Nolva dose, now my boys have finally returned.

Will never run a cycle again without having the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in my hands prior to starting the cycle, this unexpected source bust really screwed me.

Hope that helps.

looks like if i have no other options than i guess 40mgs a day is all i got.
can i still use winstrol while im using nolvadex as well. wont that be ok after doing test. ill be maintaining the muscle no??

 

[superstarmike]

no. your comming off to clean out and for your hpta to return to normal , if this was the case why bother comming off at all. since you only have so much nolv your 1st dose should be to kick start your system go at least 80mg then 60 then continue ed with 40 maybe even 20

 

[Presario2200]

no. your comming off to clean out and for your hpta to return to normal , if this was the case why bother comming off at all. since you only have so much nolv your 1st dose should be to kick start your system go at least 80mg then 60 then continue ed with 40 maybe even 20

wut about tribulous??????

 

[JayC]

if your nuts are still hanging you can do without the hcg, i run clomid for post cycle therapy (pct) but i know you can use nolv. that drug is stonger than clomid, so i would cut it in half so iy would go like this 300mg clomid 1st day so thats 150mg nolva 100mg clomid 2nd day do 50 nolva then 25mg ed for a few weeks, keep going until you have the drive to screw and work out without the nolva

NO, DON'T DO THIS!!! ..this is bad advice, the doses/conversions are way off bro!!!
If you want to run a Nolvadex only post cycle therapy (pct) (best in my opinion), I would run it at 40mg every day weeks 1-2 and then 20mg every day weeks 3-4. Some people tweak things a little or run it longer or short but the above is your basic guidline and preferred dosing...IMO
Do not run Winstrol. You need to stay steroid free during post cycle therapy (pct) and the months you are "off" cycle. This means no orals like Winstrol or even mildly suppresive orals like var.
Tribulus is up to you. If you think it helps, you can run it. It won't hurt to run it. They do say that Trib takes up to 8 weeks before it really works so doubt you'll see results during post cycle therapy (pct). You could start it then though.

 

[alex7781]

^^ Agreed ^^

It may help to also run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like Exemestane

 

[Presario2200]

NO, DON'T DO THIS!!! ..this is bad advice, the doses/conversions are way off bro!!!
If you want to run a Nolvadex only post cycle therapy (pct) (best in my opinion), I would run it at 40mg every day weeks 1-2 and then 20mg every day weeks 3-4. Some people tweak things a little or run it longer or short but the above is your basic guidline and preferred dosing...IMO
Do not run Winstrol. You need to stay steroid free during post cycle therapy (pct) and the months you are "off" cycle. This means no orals like Winstrol or even mildly suppresive orals like var.
Tribulus is up to you. If you think it helps, you can run it. It won't hurt to run it. They do say that Trib takes up to 8 weeks before it really works so doubt you'll see results during post cycle therapy (pct). You could start it then though.

coooool , sounds good....

 

[Presario2200]

40 mgs it is... u know wut alot ppl say that nolvadex does not increase natural test at all and that it obviously helps to block estrogen but for me I find i get way hornier when taking nolvadex for sure! i have stopped test for the last week and already feel i losing my mass still technically weight the same, but look a little slimmer now if i wud have taken Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) wud have been a different story no?

 

[JayC]

40 mgs it is... u know wut alot ppl say that nolvadex does not increase natural test at all and that it obviously helps to block estrogen but for me I find i get way hornier when taking nolvadex for sure! i have stopped test for the last week and already feel i losing my mass still technically weight the same, but look a little slimmer now if i wud have taken Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) wud have been a different story no?

all subjective and it denpends on the individual... me, I'm the same as you. My libido is up and hard-ons even increase with Nolvadex. No sides and recovery is swift!! SERM of choice here!
You are not losing your gains already..IMO Coming off the test, your losing that excessive estro water and bloat. Your muscles just lose that puffyness and it feels like you are thining out but you are not losing mass yet...IMO
I don't think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would've made a difference in the respect you are asking. It's purpose is merely to keep the nuts from shrinking or to bring them back to fullness. Now the theory is also that you will recover faster when your nuts are kept at full size but that's not always the case.

 

[theincredible1]

if your nuts are still hanging you can do without the hcg, i run clomid for post cycle therapy (pct) but i know you can use nolv. that drug is stonger than clomid, so i would cut it in half so iy would go like this 300mg clomid 1st day so thats 150mg nolva 100mg clomid 2nd day do 50 nolva then 25mg ed for a few weeks, keep going until you have the drive to screw and work out without the nolva

right when I thought you couldnt get any dumber.. you had to post this, you should quit posting shit you dont know.. your a true dumbass dude.. I mean I havent read many comments u made that arent even worth reading.. your rediculous dude, you claim to take so many steroids and this and that but dude get a fuckin clue and know your shit before you give advice.

 

[buffalobencher]

he problem is that SERMs don't reduce estrogen , they just block the actions in certain tissue and receptors. If you were on a cycle with armomatizing compounds you more then likely have alot of estrogen floating around. This is why when guys finish post cycle therapy (pct) they crash. The estrogen takes a long time to diminish on its own and with the lower test levels the test/estr ratio is not in your favor. If you understand the HPTA functioning you should know that the reason you shut down is not from high testosterone, but from the estrogen The male hormonal system detects armotaization of estroge , mainly to estradiol, and acts as if there is too much exogenous test. After a cycle the estrogen acts as it would on cycle, but you don't recover well because the body thinks there is too much testosterone. THis is why taking a suicide inhibitor like exemestane or atd or an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (arimidex, letro) will help. THe SERM will act to increase LF/FSH and with a reduced estrogen the body will"kick in"faster. With progestins(tren, deca , anadrol) it becomes alittle more complicated because progestins are not normally present , in that high of a level, and can have a even more suppressive effect. Progestins can act like estradoil in HPTA and also raise prolactin whic presents a whole new set of problems to deal with. That is where the dpamine agaonist drugs will help by reducing prolactin and blocking some of the negative sides while the HPTA recovers.

 

[macro]

nolvadex is an uproven post cycle therapy (pct) agent (regardless of claims otherwise).

clomid is preferable (no front load).

you can use nolva as a priming agent for HCG

 

[pineapple]

^^ Agreed ^^

It may help to also run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like Exemestane

I would recommend just taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) alone. It will raise LH levels and lower estrogen. No need to take anything else. Dose for men should be low.

 

[supernovice]

For years I never did post cycle therapy (pct) correctly and recently discovered that both nolvadex and clomid work much better and faster if you lower total estrogen before post cycle therapy (pct).. This can be done with arimidex, aromasin or the over the counter products like reboundxt or novadex xt. The problem after long test cycles is that there is alot of estrogen which eventually works against recovery especially when test levels are low from coming off. If you reduce the estrogen a couple weeks before starting clomid or nolva the dose of the SERM can be reduced and only used for 2-3 weeks. I posted on another thread about novadex xt which contains ATD(AI). I had the best recovery ever after a 6 month cycle. I only used clomid at 100 days 1-3 and then 50 at 4-21 and recovered with minimal loss of gains. I also retained a hard and vascular look after post cycle therapy (pct). I would guess aromasin or arimidex would work even better, but I tried it with an OTC product since I had a few bottles on hand.

Bro, which otc product did you use? How/when did you dose it?

I have both clomid & nolva for my post cycle therapy (pct) when I come off of test e, my question is should I add the uhotter i have to my post cycle therapy (pct)? I have plenty of it, so I know I have enough for post cycle therapy (pct). If I should add it, when should I begin dosing it? Should I start it when I start my SERMs (two weeks after last test e dose?)

 

[rocko419]

Bro, which otc product did you use? How/when did you dose it?

I have both clomid & nolva for my post cycle therapy (pct) when I come off of test e, my question is should I add the uhotter i have to my post cycle therapy (pct)? I have plenty of it, so I know I have enough for post cycle therapy (pct). If I should add it, when should I begin dosing it? Should I start it when I start my SERMs (two weeks after last test e dose?)

Boy that was 8 months ago he wrote that post I wounder if he's still alive. And FYI in his post he stated that the otc shit he got was reboundxt or novadex xt.

 

[rocko419]

For years I never did post cycle therapy (pct) correctly and recently discovered that both nolvadex and clomid work much better and faster if you lower total estrogen before post cycle therapy (pct).. This can be done with arimidex, aromasin or the over the counter products like reboundxt or novadex xt. The problem after long test cycles is that there is alot of estrogen which eventually works against recovery especially when test levels are low from coming off. If you reduce the estrogen a couple weeks before starting clomid or nolva the dose of the SERM can be reduced and only used for 2-3 weeks. I posted on another thread about novadex xt which contains ATD(AI). I had the best recovery ever after a 6 month cycle. I only used clomid at 100 days 1-3 and then 50 at 4-21 and recovered with minimal loss of gains. I also retained a hard and vascular look after post cycle therapy (pct). I would guess aromasin or arimidex would work even better, but I tried it with an OTC product since I had a few bottles on hand.

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