non aas gyno (propecia/GH)

[bgspin]

WTF! Been about 5 years since i've ran AAS.Never had one problem with gyno or sore nips even during heavy cycles. Here I am about 7 months into my GH cycle. Started taking propecia 1mg per day around the same time.right nip got sore about 3 weeks ago.I thought it was just in my head. well today i press on my nip and i have about a pee size lump just above my right nip. I'm sure its the propecia ,although the GH isn't slowing things down any either.Question,do you think discontinuing the propecia will be enough? Or should i run a AI? I hate to hop on some letro and kill my E2. I have some aromasin here. Maybe a low low dose? I'm all ears boys.


BTW:
Fuck propecia!

 

[bgspin]

Anyone?

 

[skydiverjunkie]

Anyone?

Keep taking Propecia and add E2 blocker. Your test converts to DHT and Estradiol. If you are taking propecia most likely your test are converting more to Estradiol. So just take 0.5 mg of any E2 blocker twice a week. It should fix the problem.

If you stop Propecia then chances are that your DHT level will rise and you will start loosing hair.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

The implementation of finasteride has reduced your DHT to Estradiol ratio. The lack of exogenous testosterone further facilitates this by providing limited androgens for DHT conversion. Did you check blood values of DHT prior to finasteride implementation? Consensus dictates the use of 5-alpha reductase enzyme has provided a competition free environment for estradiol in relation to receptors. The hairloss you are experiencing is more likely caused by arterial vaso-constriction. Utilize minoxidil as a replacement or start the implementation of Nizoral. Nizoral cleanses the DHT from hair follicles but, does not decrease blood plasma DHT.

 

[RJ]

Get off the finasteride. Its only hair. I'm not a big proponent of taking something else just to counter what the counter-drug was taken for in the first place.

If you're that concerned with it, I would go with Hum's approach to bring your ratios back in place.

 

[skydiverjunkie]

Get off the finasteride. Its only hair. I'm not a big proponent of taking something else just to counter what the counter-drug was taken for in the first place.

If you're that concerned with it, I would go with Hum's approach to bring your ratios back in place.

To all of you. No muscle is worth loosing your hair comes from personal experience.

I spent $8k to have my hair transplanted. I used to have thick long dark hair that women would fall for and I was the skinniest kid of 140 lbs. Then started loosing hair and very few would like me after that. After the transplant my hair looks great and Women are back into my game.

I am running a cycle prescribed by a doctor and I take both E2 blocker and the Finastride.

Why would you want to loose your hair when you can just take E2 blocker

 

[RJ]

To all of you. No muscle is worth loosing your hair comes from personal experience.

I spent $8k to have my hair transplanted. I used to have thick long dark hair that women would fall for and I was the skinniest kid of 140 lbs. Then started loosing hair and very few would like me after that. After the transplant my hair looks great and Women are back into my game.

I am running a cycle prescribed by a doctor and I take both E2 blocker and the Finastride.

Why would you want to loose your hair when you can just take E2 blocker

No offense, but if you can't get ass because of your hair... you got bigger problems than hair loss brother. I gotta nice bald spot in the back of my head, so i keep my hair shaved, and some of the peeps been around here for a while have seen what my wife looks like.

But lets forget about hair for a second. How about Finasteride has been known to cause ED. Now, whats more important, having a kick ass body with a bald head (which some women love mind you and most others don't care about) and being able to fuck like a rabbit or being skinny, have long beautiful locks and a limp noodle?

Can you take Cialis? Sure. But again. Why take extra shit just to counteract something you are taking to counteract something else. Where does it end? How does this guy know he isn't pre-disposed to MPB? If he is, no amount of Propecia is gonna help. And even if it does, as soon as he stops using it, chances are its gonna start falling out again anyway.

One more thing? Do you know how much test/GH $8000 can buy?

 

[skydiverjunkie]

RJ,

My only argument is that you do not need to sacricifice hair doing gear. My point about my hair was that having a nice hair is always better than bald and why give away that for little boost you gain from E2.

I am just suggesting what Mr. Hum is suggesting. Finding a balance. Get the right ratio.

I was making most of my comments on your particular comment

"Get off the finasteride. Its only hair."--- disagree. I say do it right.

Regarding the limp dick. Most people have this misunderstanding that DHT blocker causes it (sure it is involved) but what they tend to forget is when you use DHT blocker your Test are converted to high level of Estraidol because they cannot form DHT. E2 is the main reason you get limp. And most people don't take small qty of E2 blocker to balance the effect of Finastride and they only blame limp dick on Finastride. That is why gear user tend to get limp dick when their E2 level rises significantly after the cycle ends. I have been using Finastride for years and let me tell you my Test level has gone up and my E2 level was always balanced so I never had limp dick or libido problem. In fact I had the opposite effect. Due to my rise in Test, I am more horny and my dick is harder after I started the Finastride. This was all due to my normal level of E2. People who complains about DHT blocker or have problems usually have the high level of E2. This is all due to lack of understanding.

Regarding my hair transplant. I could afford it so I choose it. Regarding the women I was making the comparative point. I did not mean I was not getting women when my hair was thinner. Just like muscle hair is a factor too when it comes to beauty. No need to sacrifice anything when you can do things wisely.


Bottom line:
Gear rules if you do it right---Better Muscle
Finastride rules if you do it right--Save your hair.

And I think everybody would love have both hair and muscle if I am not mistaken.

 

[bgspin]

^ lol amen RJ! I have already stopped the propecia! I knew the risk when i started it.I just though the gyno concerns wouldn't apply after never having a problem on AAS.I'm not interested in taking counter hormones either. To much shit. I'll run some rogain and buy some shampoo.If that doesnt work,fuck it.I aint got a problem getting pussy.I did this for me.The real question is,should i run a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for small lump that has popped up? Or will discontinuing the propecia be enough?I have aromasin here.I was thinking something as low as 6.75mg per day.I dont want to crash E2 levels.

Thanks for all the replies !

 

[RJ]

^ lol amen RJ! I have already stopped the propecia! I knew the risk when i started it.I just though the gyno concerns wouldn't apply after never having a problem on AAS.I'm not interested in taking counter hormones either. To much shit. I'll run some rogain and buy some shampoo.If that doesnt work,fuck it.I aint got a problem getting pussy.I did this for me.The real question is,should i run a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for small lump that has popped up? Or will discontinuing the propecia be enough?I have aromasin here.I was thinking something as low as 6.75mg per day.I dont want to crash E2 levels.

Thanks for all the replies !

No way to know but to try and see. Again, trial and error.

Come off the Propecia and give it a week or two. If it doesn't go away, or if it gets worse during that time, try an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I like Toremifene for post cycle therapy (pct) and it helped me get rid of some existing gyno, so you could wait until then if it doesn't get worse and try that.

Gotta be a guinea pig man. lol

 

[skydiverjunkie]

^ lol amen RJ! I have already stopped the propecia! I knew the risk when i started it.I just though the gyno concerns wouldn't apply after never having a problem on AAS.I'm not interested in taking counter hormones either. To much shit. I'll run some rogain and buy some shampoo.If that doesnt work,fuck it.I aint got a problem getting pussy.I did this for me.The real question is,should i run a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for small lump that has popped up? Or will discontinuing the propecia be enough?I have aromasin here.I was thinking something as low as 6.75mg per day.I dont want to crash E2 levels.

Thanks for all the replies !

Rogaine and Shampoo are not so effective and pain in ass to use. You hair smells weired and feels weired.

Trust me brother, you will regret not having nice hair one day. It is not about pussy. It is about how you feel and look. When you loose hair your scalp tends get oily/greasy and does not look nice at all.

Estrogen is used in the production of GH and IGF1 and if you are already taking GH then your Estrogen are not being used effectively and gets accumulated. Your estrogen is not being metabolized into GH so it is accumulating. So you need good amount of it not very high where it causes trouble like gyno. Just balance it out with low dose of E2 blocker.

You wanted E2 and Propeica is giving it to you but in little excess which you can ajust rather than thinking you might be counteracting it entirely.

Your choice.

 

[bgspin]

Started aromasin tonight.Doing 6.25mg ED. I will report back.

 

[Darkhorizon]

There is a proverb here where i'm from (Eastern Europe) that says:Your whole dick in and your soul in heaven(sound better on my language ).It's very rare condition and most of the time you should choose one istead of the other.You can't be s 220lbs shredded and have hair if you're predisposed to lose it!Make your choice I made mine and i can get unnoticed all year round in clothers.However when i take my shirt off there is that "wow factor" cuz most of the time i'm very lean and well balanced.Long hair also is still there ,we will see for how long
As for the chicks ,different chicks, different ideal.Some prefer Brad Pitt Over Tom Cruize ,etc.It depends

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Started aromasin tonight.Doing 6.25mg ED. I will report back.

Aromasin is not very effective at lipid cell penetration. If you have existing gyno hit the letro it is 95% permeable through lipid cells.

 

[bgspin]

Aromasin is not very effective at lipid cell penetration. If you have existing gyno hit the letro it is 95% permeable through lipid cells.

Yes i agree.I'm just a bit worried about totally crashing my E2 levels. What dose would you recommend and for how long?

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Yes i agree.I'm just a bit worried about totally crashing my E2 levels. What dose would you recommend and for how long?

start at 1.25 you should have it in check in 4 days. If after 2 days you are still having issues kick it to 2.5. Existing lumps can be harder to get rid of.