Noob Help Request

[shizzy]

Testosterone Cypionate cycle Help.

I've been reading for months, (could spend another few years understanding how little I know), but I should at least understand your advice now.

I'm not sure if my post belongs here or the Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) section, it's really a mix. I don't believe I really need to be on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), I really just want a cycle (and not be subject to arrest).

I'm 39 and have been working out for 25 years. A few breaks due to injuries/surgeries and a a few kids but I'm back in the best shape i've been in for more then 10 years.

I encouraged a low T on my blood test and scored 335. Doc offered to put me on Test replacement and prescribed Testosterone Cypionate at 0.3ml biweekly. I think that's 150mg/wk. (250mg per ml)

Can I do a decent cycle with 10ml of Test C and bring test levels to moderate levels in 8-10 weeks for my next blood test? I also don't have any prescription for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or SERM.

Here's my proposed plan:
Week 1-6; 350mg taken 175mg twice/wk.
Week 7-8; 150mg taken 75mg twice/wk.

I found a good read here on T-C cycle.
It provides a sample cycle with supplementals.
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/614947-first-cycle-pct.html

1. Is it reasonable to ask for prescription to Aromasin and Clomid?
2. I also don't have HCG, how important is this?
3. 350mg adequate?

I appreciate your help fellas.

 

[dfeaton]

Testosterone Cypionate cycle Help.

I've been reading for months, (could spend another few years understanding how little I know), but I should at least understand your advice now.

I'm not sure if my post belongs here or the Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) section, it's really a mix. I don't believe I really need to be on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), I really just want a cycle (and not be subject to arrest).

I'm 39 and have been working out for 25 years. A few breaks due to injuries/surgeries and a a few kids but I'm back in the best shape i've been in for more then 10 years.

I encouraged a low T on my blood test and scored 335. Doc offered to put me on Test replacement and prescribed Testosterone Cypionate at 0.3ml biweekly. I think that's 150mg/wk. (250mg per ml)

Can I do a decent cycle with 10ml of Test C and bring test levels to moderate levels in 8-10 weeks for my next blood test? I also don't have any prescription for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or SERM.

Here's my proposed plan:
Week 1-6; 350mg taken 175mg twice/wk.
Week 7-8; 150mg taken 75mg twice/wk.

I found a good read here on T-C cycle.
It provides a sample cycle with supplementals.
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/614947-first-cycle-pct.html

1. Is it reasonable to ask for prescription to Aromasin and Clomid?
2. I also don't have HCG, how important is this?
3. 350mg adequate?

I appreciate your help fellas.

335 is pretty low as far as your blood test goes. You can make some good gains on a Trt dose. You can get your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) & clomid from one of the board sponsors here. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) not really required depends on if you want to have kids & keep your boys plump. I stopped taking my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). 8-10 weeks is not long enough imo I would extend it to 12 maybe more. Most would cycle 500mg/week for first cycle, but good gains can be made on 350mg.

 

[josh223]

.3ml is only 75mgs

350-500mg would be good for an actual cycle though. Don't worry about the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), I'm sure your doc will be testing you including your estrogen. If it gets high he will most likely prescribe one.

If not in later meetings, ask him about it.

 

[shizzy]

335 is pretty low as far as your blood test goes. You can make some good gains on a Trt dose. You can get your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) & clomid from one of the board sponsors here. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) not really required depends on if you want to have kids & keep your boys plump. I stopped taking my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). 8-10 weeks is not long enough imo I would extend it to 12 maybe more. Most would cycle 500mg/week for first cycle, but good gains can be made on 350mg.

I'm ok with a longer cycle and a higher dose but i only have a script for 10ml and need an 8 week blood test that looks like I'm being compliant with the prescribed 0.3 ml twice a week.

Will my proposed cycle give me that?
Can you recommend anything else i should take with my cycle.
Any legal prohormone or other supplement with taking?

 

[dfeaton]

I see what your trying to do, but I don't think you'll get the results that you are looking for with that cycle. Also risking screwing up your Trt if you are getting a blood test again at 8 weeks. Test C takes a bit to get changes going. What I would recommend is that you start out with the recommended protocol and see how your body reacts. You maybe able to make some good gains on the Trt dose. Also stay on the forums read, learn & make some friends then if you really want to do a proper cycle you will have what you need.

 

[crazyfmike]

I grow like I am 20years old all over again on around 300mgs. With your background I am sure you can make great gains on 350mgs/week.

Best to start low and see and go from there.

Yes 39 is too young to go testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) IMO.

 

[shizzy]

I grow like I am 20years old all over again on around 300mgs. With your background I am sure you can make great gains on 350mgs/week.

Best to start low and see and go from there.

Yes 39 is too young to go testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) IMO.

I honestly don't think I should start the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life (atleast not yet). My labido has never been higher, we have sex usually 2 times a day and 4-5 time if my young kids aren't cock blocking me. I feel great, sleep great, and have decent gains/strength. I don't want to mess with what isn't broken. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing and would be happier on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), feel free to chime in.

Here is my wish list.

1. Do a "best-I-Can cycle" with what I have for my current legal prescription, 10ml.
2. Set myself up for a blood test in 8-10 weeks that looks like I'm using the prescription as intended (0.6ml/wk) to support a continued (or increased) prescription.
3. No continuous testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), I want to go back to my normal function of my testes after my cycles. How can I do PCT legally?
4. Have this continued prescription so I can do a proper cycle once or twice a year.

Options:
1. Start and continue testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as prescribed and save up enough for a cycle/year. (I fear my T level will be too high and prescription will be reduced.)
2. Do a reduced testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) level so I minimize the effect on my normal system function but supports a blood test in 8-10 wks for continued or increased prescription.
3. Do my wishlist above with a "Best-I-Can" cycle, modified with your advice for a 8-10 wk blood test.

Please re-iterate your opinions if this additional explanation doesn't change them. I have to be told things more then once . I really appreciate all your feedback.

 

[dfeaton]

I honestly don't think I should start the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life (atleast not yet). My labido has never been higher, we have sex usually 2 times a day and 4-5 time if my young kids aren't cock blocking me. I feel great, sleep great, and have decent gains/strength. I don't want to mess with what isn't broken. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing and would be happier on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), feel free to chime in.

Here is my wish list.

1. Do a "best-I-Can cycle" with what I have for my current legal prescription, 10ml.
2. Set myself up for a blood test in 8-10 weeks that looks like I'm using the prescription as intended (0.6ml/wk) to support a continued (or increased) prescription.
3. No continuous testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), I want to go back to my normal function of my testes after my cycles. How can I do PCT legally?
4. Have this continued prescription so I can do a proper cycle once or twice a year.

Options:
1. Start and continue testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as prescribed and save up enough for a cycle/year. (I fear my T level will be too high and prescription will be reduced.)
2. Do a reduced testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) level so I minimize the effect on my normal system function but supports a blood test in 8-10 wks for continued or increased prescription.
3. Do my wishlist above with a "Best-I-Can" cycle, modified with your advice for a 8-10 wk blood test.

Please re-iterate your opinions if this additional explanation doesn't change them. I have to be told things more then once . I really appreciate all your feedback.

I can understand that you dont want to start testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). I still dont think that you'll be able to pull off a decent cycle with just 10ml of test c. I think that you'd need 300-350mg week for 10-12 weeks for good results. You could try 250mg/week for 10 weeks, but the unknown is what your doc will do after your week 8 test results.

 

[shizzy]

I can understand that you dont want to start testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). I still dont think that you'll be able to pull off a decent cycle with just 10ml of test c. I think that you'd need 300-350mg week for 10-12 weeks for good results. You could try 250mg/week for 10 weeks, but the unknown is what your doc will do after your week 8 test results.

I'm surprised that you'd recommend 250mg/wk for 10 weeks over 350mg/wk for 6 weeks. That seems to contradict this post. steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/614947-first-cycle-pct.html
The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay.
Based on this article and it's talk about front loading, I was thinking of modying my proposed cycle to;
Week 1; 600mg; 300mg twice/wk
Week 2-6; 350mg taken 175mg twice/wk.
Week 7; 150mg taken 75mg twice/wk.

Can you point me to something that explains the science behind this to make sense of your suggestion?

Any opinions on my option #2?

 

[dfeaton]

Cause 6 weeks of test c is a waste. Hope you find someone to agree to do things your way. I'm done.

 

[rikta]

Good thread

 

[shizzy]

Cause 6 weeks of test c is a waste. Hope you find someone to agree to do things your way. I'm done.

Haha, I warned you I'm stubborn and really do appreciate your help, just not sure what to do. Any suggestions on getting more test c without legal fears? Your telling me that my option #3 it's not a good idea, what is your opinion of option #2?
Do you have a suggested Orion #4?
Thanks again.