not enough research is a mistake

[Kingkong25]

sup everyone i realize that i should of done more research before rushing into this. after reading some threads i realised that for 1st time cyclers like myself test is all i should of started with, but i though i could trust my supplyers advice i now know this was a mistake but i only have my own stupidity to blame. anyways today is march 29th here is what ive done from march25th "when i took my 1st shot till now march 29th here we go/March 25th 100mg tren enanthate mixed with200mg of test enanthate/ March26 20mg dbol/ March27 100mg tren 20mg dbol/ March28th 20mg dbol/ march 29th 100mg tren mixed with 200mg test and 20 mg dbol i was advized to stop dbol so i think i will stop today any advise would b apreciated also been talking .5mg of arimidex everyday

 

[Storm827]

Ooo.. you should get lot's of advice on this one. Although I would put in my 2 cents.. im still learning and researching for my first cycle! but I can tell ya now, I won't be running tren my first cycle..

 

[cheddachez]

from what ive read and done is TEST e 500mg per week only for first cycles along with your post cycle therapy (pct), Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and maybe hcg.

 

[Cobra Strike]

sup everyone i realize that i should of done more research before rushing into this. after reading some threads i realised that for 1st time cyclers like myself test is all i should of started with, but i though i could trust my supplyers advice i now know this was a mistake but i only have my own stupidity to blame. anyways today is march 29th here is what ive done from march25th "when i took my 1st shot till now march 29th here we go/March 25th 100mg tren enanthate mixed with200mg of test enanthate/ March26 20mg dbol/ March27 100mg tren 20mg dbol/ March28th 20mg dbol/ march 29th 100mg tren mixed with 200mg test and 20 mg dbol i was advized to stop dbol so i think i will stop today any advise would b apreciated also been talking .5mg of arimidex everyday

Ok bro...lets get this figured out.

You started your cycle 5 days ago. Your doing 100mg of tren e and 200mg of test e per injection.

First question I need to know is your stats....bf%/height/age/weight

second question is how many injects are you doing every week and on what days?

this will be way easier to answer now that im not talking to you on my visitor page

 

[UserAt204]

Just drop the tren and dbol and save them for another time. Continue to run the test at 500mg a week. Dbol and test can cause gyno and estro sides. Tren can cause gyno from prolactin. You won't know which is causing it or how to treat it.

You should have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand and a full pct.

 

[UserAt204]

But stats are needed.

 

[Kingkong25]

Ok bro...lets get this figured out.

You started your cycle 5 days ago. Your doing 100mg of tren e and 200mg of test e per injection.

First question I need to know is your stats....bf%/height/age/weight

second question is how many injects are you doing every week and on what days?

this will be way easier to answer now that im not talking to you on my visitor page

k thanks man appreciate it here we go am 27 210lbs 5 foot 10 inch not sure my bf but prob around 25% for my injection ive been thinking my 1st inject was on a friday so here we go. FRIDAYS 100mg tren mixed with 200mg test SATERDAY OFF SUNDAYS tren alone 100mg MONDAY OFF
TUESDAY 100mg tren mixed with 200mgtest

that is as far as ive gotten so far but from here i was thinking of doing 100mg of tren every friday sunday tuesday and a little confused with the test because i only have 20ml at 200mg but i have 30ml of tren 100mg there has been dbol involed but am stoping

 

[Kingkong25]

Just drop the tren and dbol and save them for another time. Continue to run the test at 500mg a week. Dbol and test can cause gyno and estro sides. Tren can cause gyno from prolactin. You won't know which is causing it or how to treat it.

You should have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand and a full pct.

i have arimidex been talking .3mg a day i have 5 ml of it at 50mg and am trying to get nolva hopefully this week

 

[Cobra Strike]

k thanks man appreciate it here we go am 27 210lbs 5 foot 10 inch not sure my bf but prob around 25% for my injection ive been thinking my 1st inject was on a friday so here we go. FRIDAYS 100mg tren mixed with 200mg test SATERDAY OFF SUNDAYS tren alone 100mg MONDAY OFF
TUESDAY 100mg tren mixed with 200mgtest

that is as far as ive gotten so far but from here i was thinking of doing 100mg of tren every friday sunday tuesday and a little confused with the test because i only have 20ml at 200mg but i have 30ml of tren 100mg there has been dbol involed but am stoping

Ok...

You are proly not 25% bf...and if you are then the first thing is that your way to high to be running aas. You should be no higher than 18-20...with 20 pushing it. So the first peice of advice Im going to give is to get to the diet forum and post up your stats and goals so they can work out a good lean diet for you. Diet is the most important thing bro...on or off cycle.

Now about your cycle...

you have only been on for 5 days so Im with user and recommend you drop the tren and mark on the bottle with a piece of tape how much you have left in it for your future cycle.

As far as the test goes keep using that like you are for about 10 weeks...pinning on fri and tuesday. But next time make it mon and thurs...its just easier that way. Im also assuming your test e concentration is 200mg/ml so that would make your 20ml vial last 10 weeks...

for the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) I would bump that up to .5mg/ed. You dont have to use it until you see signs of gyno like puffy or sore nips or a small lump developing under your nips. Then once you start use it all the way through your post cycle therapy (pct). Your post cycle therapy (pct) should be four weeks long so once you get to two weeks in then drop your dosage to .25mg/ed for the remainder of your post cycle therapy (pct). Dont even bother getting the nolva. Guys always want to run that during a cycle but in my opinion its just weak. Arimidex should be able to handle it.

What is your post cycle therapy (pct) anyway??

so to sum this up...

drop the tren and save it

you already dropped the dbol so thats good (you can use that on your next cycle as long as you get your bf down)

ai at .5mg/ed and taper to .25mg/ed half way through post cycle therapy (pct)

get to the diet forum and lets get your bf down

 

[cheddachez]

just out of curiosity, why does you bf matter when using aas?

 

[Cobra Strike]

one good reason is that the higher the bf the higher the bp....and aas raises your bp already so that would be a bad idea..it could lead to all kinds of things but the big one being heart failure

 

[Kingkong25]

one good reason is that the higher the bf the higher the bp....and aas raises your bp already so that would be a bad idea..it could lead to all kinds of things but the big one being heart failure

i messured my neck abdomen and height and according to a body fat calculator am 24 % body fat but it said that it would be more accurate to use caliper messurement

 

[UserAt204]

If you have high body fat, you have a much greater chance of having estro sides like gyno, elevated BP, and bloating, which will elevate BP. Honestly you should be closer to 15% to start. Use test only. You should never start a cycle without already having a post cycle therapy (pct).

IMO nolva for a post cycle therapy (pct) is weak. Either get toremifene or clomid.

 

[Kingkong25]

If you have high body fat, you have a much greater chance of having estro sides like gyno, elevated BP, and bloating, which will elevate BP. Honestly you should be closer to 15% to start. Use test only. You should never start a cycle without already having a post cycle therapy (pct).

IMO nolva for a post cycle therapy (pct) is weak. Either get toremifene or clomid.

k clomid 50 mg a day 2 weeks after my last enjection for 4 to 6 weeks that sound about right

 

[Kingkong25]

k clomid 50 mg a day 2 weeks after my last enjection for 4 to 6 weeks that sound about right

another? do u guys thinks i will still see gains from test only

 

[UserAt204]

That is right on post cycle therapy (pct). You can add the nolva to it at 40,40,20,20. You can get excellent gains on test only. I gained 25lbs on my first cycle years ago and was shredded. Loved it. But I've always had low body fat. Diet will determine if you get big and ripped or big and sloppy. With high BF water weight may pile on fast making you very strong and sloppy. Try to cut some BF first then go on. The diet forum could get you down to 15 in no time. Just better idea.

 

[Kingkong25]

Ok...

You are proly not 25% bf...and if you are then the first thing is that your way to high to be running aas. You should be no higher than 18-20...with 20 pushing it. So the first peice of advice Im going to give is to get to the diet forum and post up your stats and goals so they can work out a good lean diet for you. Diet is the most important thing bro...on or off cycle.

Now about your cycle...

you have only been on for 5 days so Im with user and recommend you drop the tren and mark on the bottle with a piece of tape how much you have left in it for your future cycle.

As far as the test goes keep using that like you are for about 10 weeks...pinning on fri and tuesday. But next time make it mon and thurs...its just easier that way. Im also assuming your test e concentration is 200mg/ml so that would make your 20ml vial last 10 weeks...

for the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) I would bump that up to .5mg/ed. You dont have to use it until you see signs of gyno like puffy or sore nips or a small lump developing under your nips. Then once you start use it all the way through your post cycle therapy (pct). Your post cycle therapy (pct) should be four weeks long so once you get to two weeks in then drop your dosage to .25mg/ed for the remainder of your post cycle therapy (pct). Dont even bother getting the nolva. Guys always want to run that during a cycle but in my opinion its just weak. Arimidex should be able to handle it.

What is your post cycle therapy (pct) anyway??

so to sum this up...

drop the tren and save it

you already dropped the dbol so thats good (you can use that on your next cycle as long as you get your bf down)

ai at .5mg/ed and taper to .25mg/ed half way through post cycle therapy (pct)

get to the diet forum and lets get your bf down

great advice am starting to understand a little more what would u recomend for ptc am going to get that ready this week i know i should not have started a cycle without but like i said ill b more prepared next time

 

[Kingkong25]

That is right on post cycle therapy (pct). You can add the nolva to it at 40,40,20,20. You can get excellent gains on test only. I gained 25lbs on my first cycle years ago and was shredded. Loved it. But I've always had low body fat. Diet will determine if you get big and ripped or big and sloppy. With high BF water weight may pile on fast making you very strong and sloppy. Try to cut some BF first then go on. The diet forum could get you down to 15 in no time. Just better idea.

thatks man great advice i just posted in the diet forum hopefully someone will repli soon am going grossery shopping tomorow would like to have some idears on what to get lol its a 2 hour drive to the grossery store lol

 

[Cobra Strike]

great advice am starting to understand a little more what would u recomend for ptc am going to get that ready this week i know i should not have started a cycle without but like i said ill b more prepared next time

user nailed it with the post cycle therapy (pct) advice...and dam thats a long drive...I eat a shit ton of tuna, cottage cheese, and yogurt with granola, and 6-8 ounzes of steak at nigth right before bed...and lets not forget milk!!! I drink 3 gallons of skim a week...but thats just what I do..the diet section will amaze you if you take it serious...

just a tip that most guys dont understand...

FOOD = STEROIDS!

it is so dam important you wont understand until you do it!

 

[Kingkong25]

user nailed it with the post cycle therapy (pct) advice...and dam thats a long drive...I eat a shit ton of tuna, cottage cheese, and yogurt with granola, and 6-8 ounzes of steak at nigth right before bed...and lets not forget milk!!! I drink 3 gallons of skim a week...but thats just what I do..the diet section will amaze you if you take it serious...

just a tip that most guys dont understand...

FOOD = STEROIDS!

it is so dam important you wont understand until you do it!

thanks brother i can only wish to have half your knowlage someday u 2 user204 u guys r the shit