Oral only cycle question, and other questions

pk1234

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First off, YES I've read the stickied thread.
No, I'm not planning to do an oral only cycle, and if I were, then definitely not the typical one.


I have some questions that I have on my mind:

1, I'm an athlete. I don't care about getting bigger. Of course, I wouldn't mind getting stronger, and since bigger and stronger go hand-in-hand (at least to a certain degree), I guess getting bigger would only help. But my point is, that getting bigger is not my primary goal.

2, I have problems with recovery, but I need to train a LOT. For some reason, I've always been lucky concerning injuries/joints, but I can tell that if I keep training as much as I am right now, I will get sick. I don't know why, but that's what always happens when I train too much, too frequently - I get a cold/flu. If I start training a lot, I will probably start getting injured more frequently too. Of course, I sleep and eat enough.
It's gotten better, as my work capacity has improved throughout my training career... but recently I have an opportunity, in which training my ass off will very likely provide good outcomes in my future. It's just something that I think is worth it, but I need to be able to train more without getting sick.

3, I feel like that I'm at a point where I will need some enhancements for my recovery.
Currently I just take a lot of ibuprofen and some pills for immunity prescribed by my immunologist.
I've spent minimal time so far, researching steroids, as I'm under the impression that they could definitely help me. Just this day really, so I know very, VERY little.



So... First I thought of a dbol cycle only, but after the stickied thread, it doesn't seem like a good idea at all. Some points that come to my mind though:

My goals are very different, the main thing I care about is improved recovery/immunity.

It also seems that the old time bodybuilders did just fine with dbol only. Of course as it was stated in the last page, they were nowhere near today's standards. But they did fine.

It seems that with test, I will get myself into a one very long time period of being on/off. I will need to dedicate time to PCT, I will have to watch whether everything is fine, and overall there will be a lot of things I'll need to take care of and watch. And even if I do everything correctly, there's a chance that there will be some negative, long term effects that I might only notice when I'm much older than now... or something like that. It just seems like a big risk.
Of course, if I will want to be the best in my sport, I will have to do this at some point, - but right now, I'm not at a level, where I think this would be adequate - if one day I'm a world class competitor, sure, I won't care whether I fully commit to being on steroids or not.

I would like to avoid this. For these reasons, I was thinking of something like:

150mg test weekly, for a very, very long time (not going off for say 3 months)
or
10-20mg dbol daily (again, daily, for say 3 months, or even longer)


I can already see the replies like "dude, if you're gonna do this, then do at least 300mg, otherwise you're not gonna end up with any results, shut down, and you won't even retain any muscle you build with that"
- To those - so even when you consider my very different goals than the normal standards here, it would still not make any sense?


Sorry if something doesn't make sense, this isn't my first language.
 
I'm not going to preach at you since you won't listen to reason regardless :)

What i do want to point out is that old time body builders did not do dbol only cycles. That is 100% false.

For your goals look into something like IGF or HGH. If it's just recovery you are concerned with. That way you won't be shutting down and messing with your natural hormones.
 
No, I will listen, so please refrain from your comments "you won't listen". I simply don't want to get into a world of steroids (at least not yet), whether it's test/dbol doesn't matter to me.

HGH is extremely hard to get here, and unless I'm wrong it's very expensive. Perhaps I could get some small portion of it prescribed from some doctor (and thus it were free), if I tested very low for something?, I have no idea really.
I don't really know what IGF is. Is it also very expensive? If it is, then it's not an option either.
 
On top of what Zeek pointed out I wanna say this...

The reason we would tell you to run more then 150mg a week is due to the fact that most testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients run 150-200mg a week. That's just to put them in a normal to slightly above average range. So you're shutting down your natural test to replace it with the same amount your naturally putting out (assumming your t levels are average) Another thing is even with 500mg a week of test, what you achieve with that is up to your training and diet. You can bulk on that amount or you can cut. You can train and eat for mass, or you can train and eat for strength and lean mass. It's not like you turn into Arnold on 500mg a week. It's all up to your diet and training to fit your specific goals. What are your stats? Age/height/weight/bf
 
I just don't get everyones obsession with oral only cycles. They suck and people with experience will tell you they suck and yet everyone wants to do them. And if it's just because of the needle then thats just funny cuz I feel a hell of a lot more pain from a deadlift! (which these guys prolly aren't doing either) Sorry guys just had to vent!
 
I'm 22, 5'11", 193lbs, squat/bench/dl - 410/315/550, bf% is probably around 15-18%.

I fully understand the reason why 150mg test is not advised. Yes, I really did read the thread. I was only interested, whether in my case, I could be a unique snowflake, and it would make sense to take less of either test or dbol, but for a much longer time than just 6 weeks.

Honestly, I just want to take as little as possible for a long time, while getting a nice improvement in recovery, and while still fucking up a minimal amount of things when I stop taking them.

I will take the 500mg test+something (probably nothing) or nothing at all then.
 
I'm 22, 5'11", 193lbs, squat/bench/dl - 410/315/550, bf% is probably around 15-18%.

I fully understand the reason why 150mg test is not advised. Yes, I really did read the thread. I was only interested, whether in my case, I could be a unique snowflake, and it would make sense to take less of either test or dbol, but for a much longer time than just 6 weeks.

Honestly, I just want to take as little as possible for a long time, while getting a nice improvement in recovery, and while still fucking up a minimal amount of things when I stop taking them.

I will take the 500mg test+something (probably nothing) or nothing at all then.

If you are going to take something for a longer period than you must consider suppression! Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will be in your best interest to run concurrently with the cycle at 500iu twice a week.

Test at 400-500mg/week will definitely help you out.

There are safer options to achieve your goals by using an oral and also minimizing suppression BUT it will cost MORE than AAS. Keep asking questions, that is how you get educated.

-Matt
 
If you are going to take something for a longer period than you must consider suppression! Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will be in your best interest to run concurrently with the cycle at 500iu twice a week.

Test at 400-500mg/week will definitely help you out.

There are safer options to achieve your goals by using an oral and also minimizing suppression BUT it will cost MORE than AAS. Keep asking questions, that is how you get educated.

-Matt

Thanks for the reply.

What are these options? HGH has been mentioned, but the difference in prices between AAS and HGH is HUGE. I'm willing to pay a somewhat higher price for whatever injectable/oral "stuff" that will help in what I need, without the things that steroids would cause... but like I said, the difference in price can't be that huge.
 
when you say you want to recover faster... is that from soar muscles? torn/injured muscles or being sick? cold/flu?
 
love the part of the first post where he says "150mg test weekly, for a very, very long time (not going off for say 3 months)" hahaha

very long time? 3 months? that's just a basic 12-weeker... I was thinking 3 years, not three months...

bro... if ur gonna do a cycle, do it right... 500mg test at 12-15 wks will do u fine and you'll be satisfied with the results
 
this isn't going to be the end all answer but I thought I would mention that taking large doses of vitamin C helps me recover and gives me more energy.
 
You should research peptides. And not aas your probably gonna wreck yo self. Peptides is probably a better option for you.
 
when you say you want to recover faster... is that from soar muscles? torn/injured muscles or being sick? cold/flu?

It's all simultaneous. As I start training "too much" I start feeling tired all the time, my lifts start going down, I gas faster, I start getting lazy, and if this keeps going on and I try to to go through it, one day I wake up with a sore throat, then I get actual cold/flu symptoms.

China_Wall, honestly, my plan was 6 months.

I'll try supplementing with large doses of C. I've never really used more than what's in my normal multi. There's a bit in the whey protein I use too I guess.

Will look into peptides then.

Anyway, thanks for the advice people. As I said, I'll either do nothing at all, or 400-500mg of test then.
 
Thanks for the reply.

What are these options? HGH has been mentioned, but the difference in prices between AAS and HGH is HUGE. I'm willing to pay a somewhat higher price for whatever injectable/oral "stuff" that will help in what I need, without the things that steroids would cause... but like I said, the difference in price can't be that huge.


Your goals do NOT sound extreme like needing 1000mg of aas to get to another level etc..

If you were just wanting to experiment with 150-400mg test/week then I KNOW there is a safer option on your HPTA function and overall side effects.

An orally active esterified testosterone mimitec of 4dhea+beta & alpha androsterones which mimic DHT.

This product is legal and effective --AndroMassv3. Will elicit results on par with 400mg of testosterone weekly. It is also dosed once-a-day due to the enanthate fatty ester which will deliver anabolic hormones through your blood in circadian pattern, and falling after 18-20 hours which allows signaling hormones LH & FSH to still pulse at night, keeping HPTA still intact.

You wont completely shut down testosterone production so coming off is much easier.

With that said --DO what you feel is best and if you do decide to use injectable --use 350-400mg minimum. DOnt waste your money and time.

-Matt
 
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