Ostarine/S4 compared to Var on cut cycle

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oliverduke

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Looking for an addition to my 300mg test cutting cycle.
Used var before but it's expensive and faked a lot.
Like the idea of ostarine particularly for tendon healing etc but seen s4 is better for fat loss.
Any opinions?
 
Osta is the ultimate recomp sarm....you'll hear me preach that a lot. I've made some great body comp changes on osta alone...even on a mediocre diet. S4 is great for strength, hardening, and vascularity. The combo would be killer along side some test. I'd say anavar would be a good comparison to that combo. Some decent size, strength, and fat loss can be expected.
 
jozifp103 said:
Osta is the ultimate recomp sarm....you'll hear me preach that a lot. I've made some great body comp changes on osta alone...even on a mediocre diet. S4 is great for strength, hardening, and vascularity. The combo would be killer along side some test. I'd say anavar would be a good comparison to that combo. Some decent size, strength, and fat loss can be expected.
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Thanks, don't think I'll run s4 as well due to vision sides probably ostarine at 20mg/day.

What's more harsh on the liver osta or anavar you think?
 
Sarms are non-liver toxic. If you saw logs showing liver toxicity then it was not sarms. They are non-methylated, but are still extremely orally bio-available.

Also...the vision side from s4 are really nothing to worry about. Some don't even get them. I didn't have any issues until I hit the 100mg mark and even then it was negligible. It's harmless and goes away within 1-2 days of stopping.
 
jozifp103 said:
Sarms are non-liver toxic. If you saw logs showing liver toxicity then it was not sarms. They are non-methylated, but are still extremely orally bio-available.

Also...the vision side from s4 are really nothing to worry about. Some don't even get them. I didn't have any issues until I hit the 100mg mark and even then it was negligible. It's harmless and goes away within 1-2 days of stopping.
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Strange, was with some well known brands too!

Have you ever seen Olympus labs? Apparently good stuff but still saw a liver toxic log
 
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jozifp103 said:
Sarms are non-liver toxic. If you saw logs showing liver toxicity then it was not sarms. They are non-methylated, but are still extremely orally bio-available.

Also...the vision side from s4 are really nothing to worry about. Some don't even get them. I didn't have any issues until I hit the 100mg mark and even then it was negligible. It's harmless and goes away within 1-2 days of stopping.
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They are liver toxic and they do cause shutdown. newer studies show this. ofcourse they are alot less liver toxic. but a compound doesnt need to me methyl to be toxic. eg, tylenol
 
juced_porkchop said:
anavar. but both are mild in that regard
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What do you think would be more worthwhile running alongside an 8 week cut?

Iv ran anavar before, awesome strength from it and muscle retention but it got my liver enzymes quite high! they went back down after though but not idea...

Thats why i looked into a SARM instead, but if its going to do the same to my liver then masewell go for anavar...
 
oliverduke said:
What do you think would be more worthwhile running alongside an 8 week cut?

Iv ran anavar before, awesome strength from it and muscle retention but it got my liver enzymes quite high! they went back down after though but not idea...

Thats why i looked into a SARM instead, but if its going to do the same to my liver then masewell go for anavar...
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I would say do the SARM and then compare blood work so you know where to go in the future.
id also not go anyless than 12 weeks with test cycles IMO atleast 10. i would maybe bulk for a few weeks than cut , or cut lightly a few weeks and harder near the end. if just more to use as hrt to replace hwat you are losing from shutdown then sure 8wks has a point i suppose.
 
juced_porkchop said:
They are liver toxic and they do cause shutdown. newer studies show this. ofcourse they are alot less liver toxic. but a compound doesnt need to me methyl to be toxic. eg, tylenol
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Agreed, some are definitely liver toxic. My own previous blood work has shown this with slight elevations in ALT and AST. Just not as bad as I get from dbol :p
 
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