PH for teens safe alternative?

[brandon9090]

Hey everybody

Im gonna keep this short
im 18
5'7
215lbs
2 years experience(religiously)
for shits and gigs i would consider myself 15% (i havent done it in a long time but i have a lot of muscle, flat stomach and defined so who the hell knows)

with the perminant natty test suppression in AS i think im gonna steer away from that for a couple years, my new direction is researching PH's, specifically the andro series but for now lets talk in general.

how safe our PH's for teens, are they just
as bad as AS?

would i still need to PCT with andromass?

are the effects nearly as good?

i ordered androlean so far, just to get it ready for the summer cut, is androlean and andromass stacked, counter productive and stupid or will it really help lean me out and gain lean muscle.. assuming my cal intake is high around 4k

thanks everyone

 

[Zero V]

PH's will do the same thing to you Test will, in fact some PH's will mess you up worse.

an Old school guy will tell you Test is the safest route period, these orals carry many side effects.

I would skimp out on any anabolics my friend.

 

[fishfreak]

At age 18 to 25 Id think you'd be up around 1,200-1800 ng/dl on T..... Your levels will never be higher naturally than what they are right now. You need top eat properly & time these meals accordingly. You need to stick to it like it's life or death. Day in day out. Weighing your food so you know exactly how much you need at each meal of each day..You need to know that you may need ot eat 4-7 k cal a day over the course of 14hrs... If thats what it takes, thats what it takes. However you have the most potent gift in yourself.... Puberty. You will NEVER grow like you will now...Your IGF1 is spiked thru the roof at your age. Insulin response & sensitivity is at it's maximum. T is at it's max. Thryoid stimulation is off the charts. Recipe for a freak...I would ask you to not use shit right now.... Wait.

 

[voltron1967]

trust me zero v is right ph's will mess u up it took almost 4 weeks for my body to get used to it, but i'. all beefed up now it's pretty damn cool,but i'm 43,you being 18 you really don't need any thing at the moment wait a few yrs..

 

[nerdalert]

Do yourself a favor and wait it out, eat right and train your ass off. If you educate yourself on how to do that you will grow and be healthier in the long run. If you decide at 25 that you are ready to go to the next level then you will have built a solid base to build upon.

 

[BigBlackguy]

At age 18 to 25 Id think you'd be up around 1,200-1800 ng/dl on T..... Your levels will never be higher naturally than what they are right now. You need top eat properly & time these meals accordingly. You need to stick to it like it's life or death. Day in day out. Weighing your food so you know exactly how much you need at each meal of each day..You need to know that you may need ot eat 4-7 k cal a day over the course of 14hrs... If thats what it takes, thats what it takes. However you have the most potent gift in yourself.... Puberty. You will NEVER grow like you will now...Your IGF1 is spiked thru the roof at your age. Insulin response & sensitivity is at it's maximum. T is at it's max. Thryoid stimulation is off the charts. Recipe for a freak...I would ask you to not use shit right now.... Wait.

So few young guys I see are actually at that level of natural test. I think that's a generous amount. IMO, around 800-1300 would be high/very high.

Protein and creatine is all you're going to need for awhile. Anything else is extra and steroids, as the guys above said, just aren't the answer at such a young age.