PIP-Vastus Lateralis: Needle length/Depth

[DozerSoldier]

First cycle with injection.
Past cycles woth Orals like Helladrol and Superdrol

Cycle is Test E 500mg/wk (12-15weeks) and Anadrol 50mg (4 weeks, split 25mg dose)
Running cycle support.
Have Nolvadex, Clomid, Letro on hand.
PCT
No HCG

Test E and Anadrol made in UGL.
No label.
Was going to make myself using raw ingredients in future.
I know its legit because Anadrol has kicked in,
and other reasons.

Test E @ 1cc (250mg)
Pinning Vastus Lateralis
With 24g, 1"
Have PIP and benzoyl alcohol travel to above knee.
Some swelling above knee. No color change,
Just inflammation.

First pin was with 25g, 1 1/2" no travel, normal pain.

This pin with pain was with 24g 1", though inch closer to hip/up leg.

I have one more 25g, 1 1/2" to experiment with.

Next pin will be 24g 1" left leg. Lower in injection area.
Access pain.
Then right leg I will pin 25, 1/2"

See what happens. Could either be depth or location.

Experiences?

Wife did mention first pin was at night, slept with no leg exertion. Minimal pain following days.

This time was morning 11am, did alot of walking throughout the day. Pain came 10pm. Pain was subsidized by morning. End of day today, alot of walking, swelling now.

Maybe exertion after pin can increase PIP due to oil abscess created and fibers sliding/collision?

I doubt 24g vs 25g is the issue as exact location of injection site has no pain.

 

[oldmusclemike]

I just don't understand why people make such a deal about injections. Keep it simple and pin where you are familiar . Size of needle really is insignificant. I can pin with a 22G , 23G 25 G anywhere I pin and no big difference.

I know my sensitive places, fore me Quads, so I don't do Quads much. Pecs, delts, ventro glute, gluteus max etc...Some times I get sore, no big deal. It is what it is. I don't even change needles from my draw needle to my injection needle.

You don't see nurses and doctors making such a big deal....AND you will never see the change needles from draw to pin...

Are you aspirating ? huh if so that's an irritant , not needed for IM.

Just my 2 cent on injection problems, cause since 1980 I never have had a problem. Sure some PIP now and then, some potent gear and crappy Prop I can get PIP. But .....

If it hurts where you pin , Simple Simon says change sites not Gauges. Especially 24G ?? to 25G It'd not the gauge. only when you get into 18 or 20G maybe.

 

[Duke30]

I pin on the ITB llotibial band with a 20G...I know..it's a big needle but it causes no pain but the prick itself.A 25G couldn't get through.Goes thru the skin but stops short and can't get it farther without causing more pain.Right in the middle of the leg but 3 more inches up higher.I have a 23G but haven't used it yet on the ITB.Kinda too big for Delts but pushes the oil in faster.25G is for Delts.

The 20G is a 1.5 inch but only go in about 1.05-1.25 before start hitting nerves.It feels like you're injecting near the femur bone.It was a Subst250 and smooth oil..no pip.

If you get some swelling...add an ice pack and let it warm up then put the ice pack back on.Repeat a few time.A cold massage is maybe what you need.I do that with the delts sometimes.15-20 minutes.

I would get sore about on the 4th day.Lasting maybe a day or 2.Kinda take it easy,let the legs catch up after a week.

 

[DozerSoldier]

I was given a couple of 25g to start with. Ordered the 24g. Drawing with the 24g was a little quicker, injection smooth.
Drawing with 25g took awhile, as well as injecting...more finger pressure, little longer time.

I first drew with 25g, and injected with same one. No switch. No pain. Just long injection time(which might be better anyway).

Remember, this is my first time injecting as well.
Nice to see your perspective. Thanks for commenting.

Since I have plenty of 24g, switching is not a problem.

 

[DozerSoldier]

Switched to ventrogluteal injection site in the gluteus medius.
No PIP... problem solved.
I mean, I feel it a little the next day....but nothing like when using quad.