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thedarksidebeginning

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Hello everyone,

I'm new here and been reading through boards quite a bit. Everyone here seems very helpful and supportive so this should make it enjoyable for me to use and get help when needed.

I've decided to try out test-E to start. I've always used OTC products and seen good results from it and now I just wanted to have a little more. I'm 5'11 182lbs at 10%. The supplements I'm currently using are orange triad, ZMA, kre-alkalyn, Xtend BCAA, fishoil, APE (test booster), cellucor HD when I cut. I think that's pretty much it.

What OTC supps do I have to stay away from during my cycle? is my first question

How's this for a first time? I'm following the Massive newbie info to be safe.

Wk 1-10 test enanthate 400mg each week
Wk 1-15 Nolvadex 20mg each day
Wk 12-15 clomid

Should I also take cycle assist and liver support during cycle?

Do I take arimidex during cycle?

Please bare with me and my questions. Thanks everyone!
 
Welcome. How old are you? An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) should be used on cycle to control estro but if all you have is nolva that should be fine just to prevent gyno. 400mg is a pretty low dose. Stay away from any supplements with iron or anything with heavy stims. Steroids increase your red blood cell count so staying away from extra iron is important. Also stims and AAS can make BP go up. Hows your diet?
 
Thanks for the reply.

I'm 30, nutrition right now is at 2,500 cals - 35/35/30. I forgot to mention that I've been using Craze for pre-workout.

400 seems low but as a First time user would that be good to start to see how I react to it then increase dosage?

Is it okay to continue using ZMA? it does help me sleep
 
400 is a good starting point for a first cycle. I just meant that you should be ok as far as sides since it's a moderate dose...I would go up to 5 or 600 if you can afford it though and increase to 12wks but you don't have to. As far as the diet, I suggest you see 3J in the diet section. If you want to get big you'll need to eat more than that. You can continue ZMA if you wish, and with the craze just watch your blood pressure.
 
MeatHead96 said:
400 is a good starting point for a first cycle. I just meant that you should be ok as far as sides since it's a moderate dose...I would go up to 5 or 600 if you can afford it though and increase to 12wks but you don't have to. As far as the diet, I suggest you see 3J in the diet section. If you want to get big you'll need to eat more than that. You can continue ZMA if you wish, and with the craze just watch your blood pressure.
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I see, now as far as doing a full 12weeks. I've wondered if 4-8 would give me significant gains? I've read here that 12-16 is most beneficial. I wanted to do a short a cycle just to be safe. I could just be over thinking all the side effects but with proper post cycle therapy (pct) I know I will be fine.

I will check out the nutrition, thank you!

My BP right now is 101/48 never went above 110/56 using stims or otc test boosters.
 
You don't usually take nolvadex mid cycle unless you're getting Gyno. Save the Nolva and clomid for your post cycle therapy (pct). clomid 50/50/50/50 and nolvadex 40/40/40/40. Start your post cycle therapy (pct) around three weeks after your last pin. Good luck
 
Your gonna want to up for calories protein etc. to get the most out of this cycle. And yea id say a bit more then 400mg wouldnt be a bad idea for this cycle and id say adleast 10wks for this kinda cycle. Best of luck
 
thedarksidebeginning said:
do you guys have preference oral vs injectable pcts?
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I've decided to go with oral PCT, I don't want to keep injecting myself lol.

Has anyone had experience with Pinnacle? Seems like from other threads that Pinnacle Labs have reputable products.

Arimidex vs Aromasin? I've read through a few threads that Aromasin seems to be a better choice than Arimidex, What's your take on that?

thanks again everyone
 
I let me start with this. You need to do exactly what I say. Don't change it modify it or disagree. I promise this will work. I promise!

14-16 weeks test e 500 mg/w 2 injections. Don't question it just do it. Again this is optimal for really really good gains. Sides will be low and toxicity will be next to nil

Run arimadex .25 mg every other day. If you feel bloated or gyno up it to .5 mg eod. This will control estro and let you grow as well estro is your friend.

Lift heavy. Anyone who says volume training works I will ways disagree with.

Moderate low intensity cardio.

2g protein per body pound. Eat pretty high carbs on training days. Like 300-350. This will help you grow.

18 days after last pin run nolvadex 40/40/30/20 daily for 4 weeks.

This will work just do it. Good luck!
 
Truushot said:
I let me start with this. You need to do exactly what I say. Don't change it modify it or disagree. I promise this will work. I promise!

14-16 weeks test e 500 mg/w 2 injections. Don't question it just do it. Again this is optimal for really really good gains. Sides will be low and toxicity will be next to nil

Run arimadex .25 mg every other day. If you feel bloated or gyno up it to .5 mg eod. This will control estro and let you grow as well estro is your friend.

Lift heavy. Anyone who says volume training works I will ways disagree with.

Moderate low intensity cardio.

2g protein per body pound. Eat pretty high carbs on training days. Like 300-350. This will help you grow.

18 days after last pin run nolvadex 40/40/30/20 daily for 4 weeks.

This will work just do it. Good luck!
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10wks is fine man,longer would be better but its ok and the advice that's been given is good. He doesn't need to do the cycle the exact way you think it should be done to get good results. adex or aromasin is fine. At least have it on hand and use it if necessary. Idk what your talking about injectable post cycle therapy (pct). The serms that come in liquid are still orally taken.
 
Truushot said:
I let me start with this. You need to do exactly what I say. Don't change it modify it or disagree. I promise this will work. I promise!

14-16 weeks test e 500 mg/w 2 injections. Don't question it just do it. Again this is optimal for really really good gains. Sides will be low and toxicity will be next to nil

Run arimadex .25 mg every other day. If you feel bloated or gyno up it to .5 mg eod. This will control estro and let you grow as well estro is your friend.

Lift heavy. Anyone who says volume training works I will ways disagree with.

Moderate low intensity cardio.

2g protein per body pound. Eat pretty high carbs on training days. Like 300-350. This will help you grow.

18 days after last pin run nolvadex 40/40/30/20 daily for 4 weeks.

This will work just do it. Good luck!
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Thank you! You made it every simple and straight. So, this is it? no need for N2Guard or any of that?
 
MeatHead96 said:
10wks is fine man,longer would be better but its ok and the advice that's been given is good. He doesn't need to do the cycle the exact way you think it should be done to get good results. adex or aromasin is fine. At least have it on hand and use it if necessary. Idk what your talking about injectable post cycle therapy (pct). The serms that come in liquid are still orally taken.
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Nice thank you sir! I'm sorry I assumed it was injectable since it's liquid.
 
Nope no need for any of that stuff. I like arimadex due to the fact that you use less of it. I always try to use the least amount of product as possible for gains.

No you don't need to run the cycle the way I laid it out. I was just trying to take the guess work out of it. If you do what I just told you to do and you lift hard eat right. 15 lbs is well within your grasp. I never tell anyone to run under 12 weeks. I say do 14-16 due to bottle size is all. 30 ml 2x per week is 14-15 weeks depending on waste and other variables.

Sorry for being bossy but the first cycle should be simple and easy. What I laid out is just that. Just wanting to help ya brother. Meant no malice.
 
Truushot said:
Nope no need for any of that stuff. I like arimadex due to the fact that you use less of it. I always try to use the least amount of product as possible for gains.

No you don't need to run the cycle the way I laid it out. I was just trying to take the guess work out of it. If you do what I just told you to do and you lift hard eat right. 15 lbs is well within your grasp. I never tell anyone to run under 12 weeks. I say do 14-16 due to bottle size is all. 30 ml 2x per week is 14-15 weeks depending on waste and other variables.

Sorry for being bossy but the first cycle should be simple and easy. What I laid out is just that. Just wanting to help ya brother. Meant no malice.
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No worries man, I'm here to learn as much as I can and to be honest I like straight forward instructions like that.

I actually wasn't going to do more than 4 weeks but a 10ml 250/ml is only 2.5 weeks (if I did the math right) so I'm going with 3 10ml which 7.5 weeks
 
I noticed that you didn't have clomid as part of pct, would it be any different if I take it Along with nolva?


I'm ordering them some time tonight and just want to make sure iI don't under spend or over spend
 
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