Please Explain this !!!!!!!!!!

[Bullseye Forever]

I went to my new Endo last wednesday,had my blood tested,got my results back today....point,i missed a week and a half of my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) injections because of my work,and this is my test results:

Testosterone Serum-86ng/dl range 249-836
Testosterone,Free-2.47ng/dl range 5.00-21.00

%Free Testosterone 2.87 range 1.50-4.20

LH(Luteinizing Hormone <0.2 mIU range 1.7-8.6

FSH,SERUM 1.4mIU/ml range 1.5-12.4

SHBG SERUM 12.7 nmol/L range 14.5-48.4


all test low,now can someone explain what this means? my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose is 300mg/week and i missed a week and a half of dosing,should these test be this low?

 

[wolfman010]

Test prop, cyp, enanth?

 

[Packgus]

holy smokes! that looks bad.

 

[MoparMuscle]

Yes it would/could be that low. Test e or c. Hence why once every 5 day injections.

300mg a week is a lot for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) what's that normally put you at for total?

Half life for test cyp is 10-14 days.

 

[cjw2021]

yeah it could easily be that low from missing a week and a half. If I miss a week and a half past a cyp dose I don't get out of bed. IMO the half lives are probably close to 3-4 days for cyp and E, not 8-10. that is a bunch of bs. there is one govt study floating around that shows the half life of cyp and e is 3-5 days.

 

[ecdysone]

all test low,now can someone explain what this means? my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose is 300mg/week and i missed a week and a half of dosing,should these test be this low?

No way!

Your last injection was unsuccessful (wrong dose, wrong drug, etc...)

 

[cashout]

yeah it could easily be that low from missing a week and a half. If I miss a week and a half past a cyp dose I don't get out of bed. IMO the half lives are probably close to 3-4 days for cyp and E, not 8-10. that is a bunch of bs. there is one govt study floating around that shows the half life of cyp and e is 3-5 days.

The half lives are for clinical estimations only and should be used as a starting point.

For example, one's activity level greatly affects the dispersion rate of the compound through the body. There have been numerous studies that have demonstrated that.

Very active people engaged in weight training will dissipate depot substances more rapidly than someone that is not active.

 

[cjw2021]

great point.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Test prop, cyp, enanth?

Test Cyp

holy smokes! that looks bad.

you got that right bro

Yes it would/could be that low. Test e or c. Hence why once every 5 day injections.

300mg a week is a lot for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) what's that normally put you at for total?

Half life for test cyp is 10-14 days.

I use Test Cyp,and i do inject every week,and sometimes when im not to busy with work,i inject 150mg twice a week,the total for my last 2 blood test ranged from 524ng/dl-589ng/dl and those test where done back this past March and then again in May of this year,my levels at the 300mg/week dose has never been over the ranges i listed,except one time back in jan of this year,when i injected on a sunday and got my blood test done 3 days later,and the level was 2100ng/dl,but i expected that,cause it was tested so close to my injection.......plus my Endo told me last wednesday that my current testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose has shut down my pituarity gland,hence my levels being extremely low,i just dont understand why my system at that high testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose wont show my levels to be higher than they are...

yeah it could easily be that low from missing a week and a half. If I miss a week and a half past a cyp dose I don't get out of bed. IMO the half lives are probably close to 3-4 days for cyp and E, not 8-10. that is a bunch of bs. there is one govt study floating around that shows the half life of cyp and e is 3-5 days.

i must agree,i felt like shit to,but i missed taking my dose because we are harvesting our cotton and i was so busy working from dawn till dark,then going to the gym and working out

No way!

Your last injection was unsuccessful (wrong dose, wrong drug, etc...)

i would disagree lol,but the test proves somethings wrong,and the Test is Sandoz Pharmacutical brand from the pharmacy

The half lives are for clinical estimations only and should be used as a starting point.

For example, one's activity level greatly affects the dispersion rate of the compound through the body. There have been numerous studies that have demonstrated that.

Very active people engaged in weight training will dissipate depot substances more rapidly than someone that is not active.

this statement cashout is what i truly believe happened after i first read your response,but my question to you is why at the high testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose that i take,why is my normal levels be so low all the time?I mean they should be in the high 800-1000's,dont you think?

 

[MoparMuscle]

Have you tried other esters?

I think the clear reason behind the low test levels for this time is the 1/2 life. Not sure on normally though...

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Have you tried other esters?

I think the clear reason behind the low test levels for this time is the 1/2 life. Not sure on normally though...

yea actually i have 1 time,the pharmacy was out of cyp and i used E,but thats the only time ive used a different ester


And what concerns me now is that i started a cycle last week the day after my appt,consisting of;
Test Cyp-700mg/week
Deca-500mg/week
Dbol-50mg/day
aromasin 25mg/day
Caber E3D

I dont know if the test levels will be high enough to do any good on my cycle,and im gonna be pinning 2 times a week

 

[MoparMuscle]

I think the "problem" is you metabolize the drug quick. Day 3 2100, day 7 500. Solution is twice weekly shots. It is getting your levels way way up they just drop quick

 

[MoparMuscle]

You could also try prop and eod

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

there is no way you were on consistent 300mg a week and only stopped for 10 days then had a test and you were at 82. there is just no fucking way. i agree with cachout 100% but to think you could drop to almost nothing after 10 days is mind boggling. fuck at 300mg a week, you should have AT LEAST 75 still int the depot at day 10.

either something is wrong with your testosterone, or you got someone else's results or somehow you messed up the dosing and arent taking near as much as you think.

what makes me think its your T is the the fact you only scored 582 on 300mg a week, you should be scoring well over 1500 at 300mg a week.

something is wrong with this picture, there has to be an error somewhere.

most men only need 100mg a week to hit the 7-800's

 

[cashout]

I think the "problem" is you metabolize the drug quick. Day 3 2100, day 7 500. Solution is twice weekly shots. It is getting your levels way way up they just drop quick

To an extent, you very well may metabolize test faster than most. I agree. However, to go from 2100 3 days after to 500 7 days after is beyond anything I've ever seen. Not saying it is impossible, I've just never seen anything like that before.

there is no way you were on consistent 300mg a week and only stopped for 10 days then had a test and you were at 82. there is just no fucking way. i agree with cachout 100% but to think you could drop to almost nothing after 10 days is mind boggling. fuck at 300mg a week, you should have AT LEAST 75 still int the depot at day 10.

either something is wrong with your testosterone, or you got someone else's results or somehow you messed up the dosing and arent taking near as much as you think.

what makes me think its your T is the the fact you only scored 582 on 300mg a week, you should be scoring well over 1500 at 300mg a week.

something is wrong with this picture, there has to be an error somewhere.

most men only need 100mg a week to hit the 7-800's

I know you are a big boy - what 6"5' and about 270+, right? Obviously your size is a factor but if you are hitting 2100 after 3 days then again, there is something more to it than what we have identified here in this thread.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

I think the "problem" is you metabolize the drug quick. Day 3 2100, day 7 500. Solution is twice weekly shots. It is getting your levels way way up they just drop quick

yea thats what i used to think and what ive been told by my last endo and my urologist,but some people has also told me that a persons body"doesnt" metabolize test that quick,but i think thats bullshit like you said,i believe totally what you posted

there is no way you were on consistent 300mg a week and only stopped for 10 days then had a test and you were at 82. there is just no fucking way. i agree with cachout 100% but to think you could drop to almost nothing after 10 days is mind boggling. fuck at 300mg a week, you should have AT LEAST 75 still int the depot at day 10.

either something is wrong with your testosterone, or you got someone else's results or somehow you messed up the dosing and arent taking near as much as you think.

what makes me think its your T is the the fact you only scored 582 on 300mg a week, you should be scoring well over 1500 at 300mg a week.

something is wrong with this picture, there has to be an error somewhere.

most men only need 100mg a week to hit the 7-800's

Det,thanks for you input,and i honestly respect your knowledge 200% about this,i dont understand it either,i know my test cyp i use for my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is Watson brand or Sandoz brand purchased by scrip from the pharmacy,and its dosed at 200mg/ml and i measure out 1 1/2 cc's/shot and thats 300mg,and sometimes i pin 2 times per week at 150mg on monday and thursday.....so brother im just lost,ive been told by several people that certain people "metabolize" or use test up quicker than others like cashout said,i want to think thats the reason,but for the life of me,i dont know what to think or what to do,i really and truly appreciate your honesty!!!!! my brother,you've always been straight up with me and thats why i respect you like i do...

In your opinion,what should i do now?

 

[Bullseye Forever]

To an extent, you very well may metabolize test faster than most. I agree. However, to go from 2100 3 days after to 500 7 days after is beyond anything I've ever seen. Not saying it is impossible, I've just never seen anything like that before.



I know you are a big boy - what 6"5' and about 270+, right? Obviously your size is a factor but if you are hitting 2100 after 3 days then again, there is something more to it than what we have identified here in this thread.

brother i agree totally,something is not right at all.....and ive been just as honest with everything as i could be,and i can post my last blood test back in May to compare....what steps should i take? im just lost..........i know my test is good,or at least supposed to be,I either use Watson or Sandoz from the pharmacy,i dont have a clue brother

 

[cjw2021]

Well I have read that a low SHBG level means you will metabolize testosterone faster. It could be your body is just converting a lot of the testosterone to estrogen due to an elevation in aromatase enzyme, or a high free testosterone level which is driving up aromatase. In this event maybe letrozole would serve you well. Start at maybe 2.5mgs a week? Have you tested estrogen levels?

 

[ecdysone]

bro, that's why I was the first guy to tell you it's probably not possible. Doesn't matter IF you are a super fast metabolizer or not - might be you use it with a 40 min half-life vs. someone else with a 1.5 hr half-life. The test is deposited in an oil depot, the rate at which the test-cyp is available just doesn't change all that much from person-to-person. You don't just "suck" it out of the depot.

You present quite a puzzle, but I would still suggest you go back to basics: have someone else inject you with "known" grade test. At least that way you can eliminate most if not all of the possibilities.

 

[ronnie2010]

What time of day was your test taken? I would assume your DR knows to draw it in the morning...but....