Please give me you're suggestions

[Rugger7]

Please give me your suggestions on an Anabolic Stack I can take that with a good diet and proper rest should help me lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. I seem to go flat when losing fat on an ECA and my muscles seem to become really weak on a keto, or carb based diet. When I gain muscle, if i eat really clean i don't seem to make progress and if i eat clean and in bulk i still get fatter. My 4 main priorities for this stack would have to be #1. No serious or even potention HEALTH side effects & LEGAL in the US ( i can deal w/ acne, moodiness, blue balls... whatever else isn't going to make me think i have cancer) #2 Gain STRENGTH (some size might be nice but I'm big already and too much more and I might not be that athletic any more and this is for sports) #3. Lose FAT (i am too fat ~25% BF, i could stand to lose about 40 - 50 lbs of this ) #4 Gain Size (I don't want to gain more than 20 lbs of muscle which i doubt will be a problem).

So I'm basically looking at the stacks from www.legalsteroids.com right now and www.XXXXXXX.com but I really want to know what the pros think. I am and will be using during the stack (unless I am told not to) ECA, ZMA, Creatine, Glutamine, 1-test (T-Bomb), vitamins & minerals B C E Centrum Chromium Potassium Calcium (way before ZMA), and thats it i think. I was considering jus tgoing on a 1-AD, 4-AD, 1,4-Andro, Tribulus, 1-test stack... but those are all just prohormones, right? They aren't quite the same as Anabolics are they?

I'm 20 if that matters, bet it does. I had childhood astmaha if that matters, but have been clear for about 13-14 years if that matters, doubt it does. My left knee is a little wobbly (i heard Winn V or something is bad for joints). And I have a mild hernia which i can lift with (just nothing please that might make it worse, i'm getting it fixed soon).

Thanks In Advance for any Advice.. PLEASE REPLY

Peace,
Rugger

Please read the "New Members" section, posting of the second address that I changed amounts to source posting, which is not allowed

 

[Rugger7]

Oh yeah, and no bitch tits as possible side effects too please, or if there is another supplement needed to be stacked w/ to ensure no estrogen PLEASE list. My boobs are big enough.

 

[THE BOUNCER]

So I'm basically looking at the stacks from www.legalsteroids.com right now and www.XXXXX.com but I really want to know what the pros think.

Bro, those companys are the biggest scams on the planet. There products are pure BS! My suggestion to you before you jump into anabolics is, sit back and read all you can. Learn as much as you can and then put something together. Right now you dont know much abaout anabolics and I dont think its a good idea for you to use them at this point in your life.

 

[Rugger7]

Where should I start reading?

 

[Batman]

Re: Re: Please give me you're suggestions

Bro, those companys are the biggest scams on the planet. There products are pure BS! My suggestion to you before you jump into anabolics is, sit back and read all you can. Learn as much as you can and then put something together. Right now you dont know much abaout anabolics and I dont think its a good idea for you to use them at this point in your life.

 

[Rugger7]

I mean, you don't have any good suggestions on where to start? When I was 15 and went to GNC to get big foor football and I asked what Whey and Creatine were they didn't tell me not to get it til I knew what it was (I know they're GNC and they're trying to sell shit but follow me here). They told me what it was, what it did, how to use it, where to learn more, what not to do, and what to do. So if all you can honestly tell me is I need to do my reading before diving in then give me an idea about that.. (good website)... but if there are some products out there that you would recommend to get me started and started learning about them and their potentials I'd love to know what they are. I got to get ready for a season now.

Is the reason i shouldn't use them because i don't know much (thats why i'm trying to ask the pros) or because I'm young? I've been lifting pretty religously for about 7-8 years.

Thanks,
Rugger

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Where should I start reading?

............you've already found it........

This board is a great place to start learning, reading, researching, what ever......

 

[roidjuice]

This board is a great place to learn about every aspect of AAS. Just read post, some are just opinions and some are articles on specific steroids. Just look around and read as much as you can. There is a lot of information to learn before you can start using gear correctly. I wish I would have done this before my first cycle. I ended up listening to a guy at the gym who must have had his head up his ass.

 

[Rugger7]

so am I correct in assuming most products discussed on this board are referring to juice and not what i was hoping for. Or maybe what i am hopin for.. who knows.

 

[THE BOUNCER]

so am I correct in assuming most products discussed on this board are referring to juice and not what i was hoping for. Or maybe what i am hopin for.. who knows.

Umm, im not sure if your lost or what. lol. You asked were you should start reading. RIGHT HERE!! these boards have more info than any book. and yes, we mostly talk about juice here, what did you think we talk about? the name is Steroidology lol.

 

[Rugger7]

<<<<Look Rookie... 1 *.... 6 posts or so?

hmmm... well since i've never done anabolics (should I go sulk in shame now)... i thought maybe Legal Steroids. Maybe they don't work.. maybe they're a rip off... I didn't know, I haven't been here long or in the anabolic seen long. Just looking to learn (and take hopefully) something.

Peace
Rugger

 

[THE BOUNCER]

hmmm... well since i've never done anabolics (should I go sulk in shame now)... i thought maybe Legal Steroids. Maybe they don't work.. maybe they're a rip off... I didn't know, I haven't been here long or in the anabolic seen long. Just looking to learn (and take hopefully) something.

Peace
Rugger

no you shouldnt sulk at all. but like everyone is telling you. READ and LEARN!! just browse threw the post and read bro. dont just jump into AAS, it can be a dangerous game if you have no clue what your doing. enjoy the board bro but please LEARN before you jump into it.

 

[roidjuice]

so am I correct in assuming most products discussed on this board are referring to juice and not what i was hoping for. Or maybe what i am hopin for.. who knows.

Most of the stuff hear is illegal but there are some posts on legal stuff. Stay away from that Winn V shit. I thin the same company makes a "Dbol" product as well which is just as worthless.

 

[kube]

bro, you can get alot of info here. on steroids,. on legal supplements, on diet, on contest preparation, etc. even if you dont end up using gear, you can learn about their use, their dangers and their potential benefits. take what information you can use and discard the rest. ive learned a great deal here. there are articles, there are alot of great posts, and there are even doctors here who can give you advice. all free of charge. later.

 

[kube]

by the way, just because prohormones are legal at the moment doesnt mean they are safer than gear. id say they have just as many if not more side effects without being one tenth as effective. i can tell you that from using them. i never gained shit. and they carry many side effects, not to mention the fact that they are more expensive if you want to talk about a theoretically effective dose to acheive high enough blood concentrations. not that its possible with oral dosing. in short, they are one big rip off. anyways, i wish you the best. my advice to you is to drop the fat first before you worry about putting on muscle. if you are talking about 50 pounds of fat that you need to lose, then im sure you can make alot of progress with just about any diet and some weight training three times a week. do cardio on your off days and im sure you will make great progress. once you stop making gains then you can start thinking about supplements. legal or otherwise. in the meantime, theres alot to be learned here, about every aspect of the game. later bro.