Popular UGL - Under-dosed batch??

[kingsfandave]

i was taking the EP test e and was not pleased at all, wasnt gonna waste my time with bloodwork, i needed a quick fix and i got pinnacle test e and that shit is gooood. Got right back on track with the pinn.

However, in the past and presently i still will use z products because i think they are g2g.. something must of happened to this specific batch. Many, many people have reported these issues, people who dont seem like the types who would bash someone for no reason.

 

[zomg1234]

I wasn't even planning on running this batch until I had a few dissatisfied "customers" of my own complaining about it, I love all that z does for the community, I will definitely order from them again, this is the first complaint I have, besides that communication with any Z rep is one message a day.

 

[italian1]

So zomg1234 did you get your test results back. Curious what they said. Have this batch waiting for my next cycle, and want to see if its g2g or not. Don"t want to waist my time.

 

[anewguy]

^^^ uncalled for

Personally I don't know anything about testing quality prior to injection (at lab) but I would think that a hole batch shouldn't be bad... I mean that's a big mess up. There has to be some sort of quality control right? Is there a way to test the actual dosage?

 

[Swolle]

I just started the same batch but also taking with eq. On my fifth week and starting to feel some effects. Also have the usual sides such as oily skin and mild acne. However everyone on this post had me worried that it is underdosed. I have taking z lab before with no issues. Will update over the course of cycle to see if this is the real deal.

 

[H 3 L L S M A N]

what would I ask or do to get blood work done for this specific reason?

If you are lucky and live by a LabCorp office you can go through PrivateMD, or you in my siduation and the closest LabCorp office is 250 miles away then you have to go the Hostiptal with a referal and pay out of pocket.

In Canada blood work will never go through if you are in your 20's I have tried and it did not work, so I have to pay out of pocket in the States.

 

[WindowCleaner]

I got some Test E and Tren Ace with this same batch number and I definitely think this one was underdosed. I wont comment on the Test as I'm not sure since I only use test for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 250 mg a week and I dont care all that much if its actually only 100 mg or 150 mg. As for the Tren A I used it at 100 mg for 4 weeks and my piss didnt turn very yellow and I generally didnt feel much of anything. I got much stronger results in the past off their Tren E at 400-600 mg a week. I've been on another brand of Tren A at 75 mg a day and it was very noticeable within 1-2 weeks.

I dont hold this one against Z as I've used his Euro 6 times before and they were all dosed properly before this batch. So, I'm confident to say this was just a honest mistake, and the next time I place a order I know it will be good.

 

[Repo]

First off - let me say I'm doing some work for z - which came about from being a VERY satisfied customer (exclusively) for the last 18 months.

Having said that...

There are so many things that can - and will effect your results of your cycle.

I'm going to post a thread - that I posted a while back about my results - which are extreme because of my situation leading up to the cycle.

The reason I'm posting this - is because - I did have - periods where I did NOT see growth - because of the nature of everything that goes into cycles and the growth process.

At those times I was thinking ... hmm, is the gear working - everything else seems to be in check?

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/f...hank-you-z-what-difference-year-can-make.html

Now let's move forward...

I've also screwed an awesome cycle by pushing my T3 to the limit and set myself back a couple months of progress.

Even something as minor as estrogen levels will effect the growth process.

Without having a blood test - you really don't know what is causing rapid growth - or no growth.

Having been with Z as long as I have - I will tell you guys - there has NEVER been a time I've ever thought of running anyone else's products.

Z takes pride in his products and also promotes blood tests to support his product lines...

After chatting with him over time - I will gladly tell you - he will shit-can - and fire - any supplier who F's with the dose of any products coming from him.

Some of you might remember telling you he actually tells his makers to add a little extra to the dose ... not so much it's over dosed - but enough - there is no way it's under dosed.

If you EVER have a blood test and find a product not dosed like it should be - you should contact a rep or Z so he can first take care of you ... and then bust some balls of a supplier who is not up to his standards!

If you ever have any concerns please feel free to contact me...

Just do it through PM - as I don't have as much time as I use to because of my work!

 

[zomg1234]

I was told that this was a "half bad batch"

 

[Swolle]

Just put in bloodwork order through privatemdlabs (female hormone panel). Taking ep test e and ep EQ same batch as discussed in thread. Im on 5th week taking 600mg/wk each. Will post results nxt week.

 

[vannesb]

i was taking the EP test e and was not pleased at all, wasnt gonna waste my time with bloodwork, i needed a quick fix and i got pinnacle test e and that shit is gooood. Got right back on track with the pinn.

However, in the past and presently i still will use z products because i think they are g2g.. something must of happened to this specific batch. Many, many people have reported these issues, people who dont seem like the types who would bash someone for no reason.

I am not sure how people can tell if it is under dosed or a bad batch without blood work? I have never seen getting lab work a waste of time since there are people who will complain that they are not growing and as Repo has stated there are several factors to growth. For me the cost of a lab test is small unless like someone stated you live in Canada or some other place. Typically in the US it is 40 to 50 dollars to validate if it is real, or underdosed. That is the ONLY way to truly know.

There are protocals you can run at 300 mg per week for 4 weeks and then wait 7 days from last injection to draw blood. Those results have been scientifcally ran that show the range it should be.

 

[kingsfandave]

vannesb, i agree but also i dont. There are many people saying they are feeling nothing from this specific batch of teste.. I myself shoulda just did the bloodwork but at the same time i wanted to save my cycle so i switched over to pinnacles teste. I really dont know what to make of this... everything else from Z has always been g2g. For me i guess its too late to take a test bcuz i switched labs mid-cycle, i still got a more of this EP test e on hand and dont know what i am gonna do with it.

zomg1234, who told you it was a "half bad batch?"

 

[ontopthegame85]

I love euro pharm currently using Sustanon (sust) and tren e with great results.I have seen plenty of test come back with numbers that are dead nuts where they should be.I bet if you tested gear you would see that it's where it should be.

 

[THE GREEK]

The only way to know for sure is blood work.......get it done...it's cheap and easy.

 

[Misc]

First off - let me say I'm doing some work for z - which came about from being a VERY satisfied customer (exclusively) for the last 18 months.

Having said that...

There are so many things that can - and will effect your results of your cycle.

I'm going to post a thread - that I posted a while back about my results - which are extreme because of my situation leading up to the cycle.

The reason I'm posting this - is because - I did have - periods where I did NOT see growth - because of the nature of everything that goes into cycles and the growth process.

At those times I was thinking ... hmm, is the gear working - everything else seems to be in check?

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/f...hank-you-z-what-difference-year-can-make.html

Now let's move forward...

I've also screwed an awesome cycle by pushing my T3 to the limit and set myself back a couple months of progress.

Even something as minor as estrogen levels will effect the growth process.

Without having a blood test - you really don't know what is causing rapid growth - or no growth.

Having been with Z as long as I have - I will tell you guys - there has NEVER been a time I've ever thought of running anyone else's products.

Z takes pride in his products and also promotes blood tests to support his product lines...

After chatting with him over time - I will gladly tell you - he will shit-can - and fire - any supplier who F's with the dose of any products coming from him.

Some of you might remember telling you he actually tells his makers to add a little extra to the dose ... not so much it's over dosed - but enough - there is no way it's under dosed.

If you EVER have a blood test and find a product not dosed like it should be - you should contact a rep or Z so he can first take care of you ... and then bust some balls of a supplier who is not up to his standards!

If you ever have any concerns please feel free to contact me...

Just do it through PM - as I don't have as much time as I use to because of my work!

Well wasn't this an issue he had before. i remember a lot of people were getting under dosed gear. he corrected the issue by getting rid of that supplier but people still were left with under dosed gear. how do you know its not happening again. a lot of UGL are legit at first then get greedy once their name is known for being legit and under dose the gear. then they have ppl like you who have used the legit stuff backing them up.

 

[Repo]

Well wasn't this an issue he had before. i remember a lot of people were getting under dosed gear. he corrected the issue by getting rid of that supplier but people still were left with under dosed gear. how do you know its not happening again. a lot of UGL are legit at first then get greedy once their name is known for being legit and under dose the gear. then they have ppl like you who have used the legit stuff backing them up.

I've never seen anything to back up any rumors of under dosed gear ... "except one time."

Let me explain...

Prior to going with Z - I've read many very good reviews from loyal customers who swear by his service and products.

Along with the good reviews - were a hand full of negative reviews as well.

The negative reviews fell into 3 different categories.

The first - seemed to be fake - (at least that was my impression) - as they were opposite of what I was hearing from the good reviews.

The second - were hearsay reviews from people reading the false reviews - it's not their fault, they're just repeating what they've read.

The third - simply false expectations - and unfavorable conditions such as improper training and diet.

Before choosing Z - I realized nobody could be that good - and bad at the same time.

So I rolled the dice - placed my first order - and have never looked back.

Now for the one time...

I did receive a bad batch of HGH - except Z busted the supplier and contacted all of his customers who were effected for a replacement...

He actually took a "BIG" financial hit - to make sure all of his customers were taken care of ... "which is super cool!"

You can even see a blood test I did for Z - which is a "preempted measure" - to test the latest batch of HGH to make sure his supplier is keeping up with his standards.

Here's the test - which is posted in his section "Fitness Paradise World"

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/f...h-blue-tops-test-looks-great.html#post3074584

Now - I'm not saying anyone who might think they have anything that is under dosed is right or wrong.

However - I've been running Z's gear - blasting and cruising (mostly blasting) non-stop from November 2010 with extremely good results.

My personal experience has been great - (across the board) - and that is why I recommend his products as I do.

If you ever question a product...

... get a blood test, and if there is an issue ... "Z will take care of you."