Possible trt....Prostate cancer?

[jozifp103]

I know most of you on here are not doctors but maybe some of you can help me out. I'm 24 years old. My test levels are low. My doc refuses to even consider trt and tells me that I am guaranteed to get prostate cancer at some point in my life if i go on trt...especially being so young. I don;t want to continue feeling like i'm 90 years old. Quality of life is most important for me. Is that an accurate statement about the prostate cancer? is it really going to increase my chances that much? and if so is there anything otc or prescribed that can reduce these chances?

 

[Junior.]

Somebody else with much more knowledge will chime in here but, from everything I've read, researched, and heard, there's no connection between the two at TRT levels, going outside of those levels can cause all kinds of problems though. There's a lot of info online pertaining to this subject. What is your T level at now? if it's truly low, you need to find a new doctor.

https://lef.org/magazine/mag2008/dec2008_Destroying-the-Myth-about-Testosterone-Replacement-Prostate-Cancer_01.htm

medscape.com/viewarticle/540617

 

[jozifp103]

thank you. I've done a lot of research on this as well. I'm starting to really doubt doctors. I've gotten 3 opinions on my levels and all three doc's have fed me B.S. They have told me things that I know from research are completely wrong. My levels at 21 years old were Total T-419 ng/dl with the normal range being (250-1200) and Free T-79 pg/ml range(35-225). I recently got two tests this month (i am now 24) and the results were as follows. (ranges were the same) first test- Total T 299 ng/dl. 2nd test- Total T 346 ng/dl and free T was 80 pg/ml. I've seen many situations where people were treated with trt and had higher levels than that. I would think low T would affect young people more since they are used to running on high levels.

 

[halfwit]

1. There is a VERY high chance you will get prostate cancer no matter what you do. It's seriously almost inevitable for men to live their entire lives and NOT get it. We just tend to be at the end of our lives and either don't get it diagnosed or simply don't care at that point as the treatment is far more painful than the actual cancer can be itself at that point. I don't have the statistic in front of me, but I believe it was something to the tune of 77% of us will have it by 70 years old. So, would you trade another 50 years of misery to *maybe* not get prostate cancer at 70, or live a fantastic life for 50 years and *maybe* develop it?

2. The myth behind the androgen correlation has been debunked many times now. Unfortunately the stigma behind AAS still lets doctors keep their heads in the sand as saying OMG CANCER allows them to steer clear of having to learn about hormone therapy. Can TRT increase your actual risks of prostatitis and cancer? Yes - most certainly, but only if your doctor doesn't understand that it's the ESTRADIOL that is the culprit, and needs to be managed.

3. I want to stress to you that you don't focus on the NUMBERS. Sure, we all want to cozy up to some quantifiable value and snuggle with that 'manly' number in the thousands for nanograms per deciliter of total testosterone, but if you feel fine - enjoy the fact that you're able to function so efficiently. However, if you fit the symptoms of hypogonadism, I would certainly find a new doctor that has a better grasp on how the HPTA works and how important a proper hormone profile is for men. Be warned: many doctors masquerade as being able to treat hypogonadism as they treat other hormone disorders such as thyroid or pancreatic issues. Make no mistake, this is a totally different arena and requires far more diligence on their part (and yours, so do your homework!) in order to have a successful protocol.

Keep reading around, once you have a firm grasp on how all this works - you should be properly armed to present a strong argument with any medical health care provider and possibly even (heaven forbid) teach your docs a thing or two. Just remember, doctors like to think they are the upper-echelon of mankind, and do not take kindly to being shown that they're wrong. Use some tact when taking them back to school.

My .02c

 

[Megatron28]

I will chime in on prostate cancer too. Lots of guys get it or have it, but it grows VERY slowly and never causes any harm. Obviously, prostate cancer is very serious and many men die from it every year, but you WILL die an early death from hypogonadism. Some of your numbers are borderline, but given your age you are well below where you should be. I would find a good doc and explore options.

Have you tried contacting IMT? A lot of guys here use that and only have positive things to say about them. Their ad is on the right hand of your screen.

 

[jozifp103]

I will chime in on prostate cancer too. Lots of guys get it or have it, but it grows VERY slowly and never causes any harm. Obviously, prostate cancer is very serious and many men die from it every year, but you WILL die an early death from hypogonadism. Some of your numbers are borderline, but given your age you are well below where you should be. I would find a good doc and explore options.

Have you tried contacting IMT? A lot of guys here use that and only have positive things to say about them. Their ad is on the right hand of your screen.

just checked them out and talked on the phone with them. Seems all too easy haha. Also seems pricey though....

 

[jozifp103]

if i go through a urologist i think i could get my insurance on board and it would be farrrrrr cheaper that an online clinic.

 

[Megatron28]

I don't use IMT as I have been seeing my GP for the last 15 years. But if I lost him as a doc I would definitely be calling IMT. I think you are beginning to see that you often get what you pay for.

 

[jozifp103]

agreed. I also fear that putting trt on my insurance will jack up my premium....does that happen?

 

[Megatron28]

agreed. I also fear that putting trt on my insurance will jack up my premium....does that happen?

Depends where you get your insurance from - employer group plan or private market. Under employer it should be based on group rates, but as costs go up they can pass it on to you.

Under private insurance, the ACA would not allow that to happen anymore.

I am not a health care insurance expert, but that is my basic understanding.

 

[jozifp103]

oh good. i'm on a private plan so i hope you're right lol. Uro visit is on the 18th of this month so if that fails i'll give IMT a shot. Thanks!

 

[Alpin]

Docs very commonly use that PC scare as an excuse to get out of treating you. Your levels are low for your age. But not terribly low.
Still they need more looking into. Any AAS use in the past ?

 

[jozifp103]

Docs very commonly use that PC scare as an excuse to get out of treating you. Your levels are low for your age. But not terribly low.
Still they need more looking into. Any AAS use in the past ?

yes. a complicated but short history of aas use. I felt the low T symptoms 3 years ago from a SARM cycle and it never got better. This was my first cycle with a suppressive compound. test was at 419 then. Has only gone down since.

 

[Megatron28]

yes. a complicated but short history of aas use. I felt the low T symptoms 3 years ago from a SARM cycle and it never got better. This was my first cycle with a suppressive compound. test was at 419 then. Has only gone down since.

Pretty sure SARMs can be HPTA suppressive.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I would be far more concerned with the effects low t will produce rather than prostate risk. I believe it has been proven that e2 plays a far bigger role than Test and even DHT does in terms of prostate cancer which is another reason why e2 should be controlled on cycle and obviously, TRT.

Pretty sure SARMs can be HPTA suppressive.

Agreed. Some moreso than others, but any compound that affects hormones will have effects on other hormones (like you push test up and you will pull your e2 and catabolic hormones up etc.) so IMO SARMS are at the very least minimally supressive.

 

[jozifp103]

I would be far more concerned with the effects low t will produce rather than prostate risk. I believe it has been proven that e2 plays a far bigger role than Test and even DHT does in terms of prostate cancer which is another reason why e2 should be controlled on cycle and obviously, TRT.

I agree. The symptoms as of now are mostly mental. It's miserable. I feel detached from life. I have noticed some loss of muscle definition and increased stomach fat despite a VERY strict diet and workout regimen. If TRT is my option i will be sure to get prescribed an AI.

 

[bigben66]

When T levels hit rock bottom - a workout is probably the furthest thing from your mind...

You want 40-50yrs of feeling that low?

It's a no-brainer!

 

[jozifp103]

Ok update guys....thanks to Megatron for recommending IMT i contacted them and starting next week on trt. I know it is a big step and should not be taken lightly but I am ready to feel good again. I will not be using trt for muscle building purposes but if some extra muscle occurs i will not complain. I will be getting regular bloodwork and donating blood as needed. Thank you for all your help! I am very excited to start loving life again.

 

[jozifp103]

also since i still have a urology apointment in just over a week, should i still go and tell them that I have been put on trt already and that it is working? and maybe ask them to prescribe it for me so my insurance will pay for it? is this a good idea?

 

[Megatron28]

You can't get a test script for different doctors. Testosterone prescriptions are tracked.