Post Cycle Advice? 1st Cycle

[ATVx779]

Ok I am on week 8 of my first cycle and I have gained about 19 lbs so far of almost pure muscle. My waist has only gone up .5 inches and my arms have gone up 1.25 inches so far. Im getting a lot of comments on how huge I am getting and its flattering, but I am worried about how much I will lose post cycle. I still have 4 weeks left in my cycle and my PCT is HCG, Nolvadex, and clomid.

1) Do I run arimidex for 1 week after my last shot? so say I do my last shot on Thursday, september 20th or whatever, I continue taking arimidex until September 27th?

2) How much weight will I lose post cycle considering I've gained mostly lean tissue mass

3) I train with pretty low volume, should I reduce my volume even lower during Post cycle? How do I plan my rest week? I dont want to be training hardcore for 12 weeks on cycle + 2 weeks in between + 4 weeks PCT, thats 18 weeks of hardcore training, should I throw in a rest week on one of those in between weeks before my PCT?

 

[Megatron28]

Don't use hCG during PCT as it is suppressive to your HPTA.

Use the AI up until yo start PCT.

Muscle retention post-cycle will depend on how hard you work, how quickly your HPTA turns back on, how much you sleep and your diet.

 

[fitguy22]

arimidex is to be used DURING a cycle. Megatron answered your question regarding how much muscle u can keep.

 

[ATVx779]

Ok thanks. Yes I've been running Adex since day 1 of my cycle. Has worked very well. So I will run my test for 4 more weeks, and my adex for 6 more weeks, then start my PCT.

 

[tbonexl]

Check into pct calculater for better timing on when to start pct. 2 weeks is obsolete.

 

[Teutonic]

19 pounds in 8 weeks of "pure muscle".....bold statement.

 

[tbonexl]

19 pounds in 8 weeks of "pure muscle".....bold statement.

Haha I had something to that effect typed out but deleted it. Didn't want to burst the guys bubble. It's very difficult to put on 5lbs of muscle in a year let alone almost twenty lbs in 8 weeks. Your probably holding water like a balloon! Get some bloodwork and see if u gotta change your ai dosage.

 

[tbonexl]

19 pounds in 8 weeks of "pure muscle".....bold statement.

Haha I had something to that effect typed out but deleted it. Didn't want to burst the guys bubble. It's very difficult to put on 5lbs of muscle in a year let alone almost twenty lbs in 8 weeks. Your probably holding water like a balloon! Get some bloodwork and see if u gotta change your ai dosage.

 

[China_Wall]

Ok I am on week 8 of my first cycle and I have gained about 19 lbs so far of almost pure muscle. My waist has only gone up .5 inches and my arms have gone up 1.25 inches so far. Im getting a lot of comments on how huge I am getting and its flattering, but I am worried about how much I will lose post cycle. I still have 4 weeks left in my cycle and my PCT is HCG, Nolvadex, and clomid.

1) Do I run arimidex for 1 week after my last shot? so say I do my last shot on Thursday, september 20th or whatever, I continue taking arimidex until September 27th?

2) How much weight will I lose post cycle considering I've gained mostly lean tissue mass

3) I train with pretty low volume, should I reduce my volume even lower during Post cycle? How do I plan my rest week? I dont want to be training hardcore for 12 weeks on cycle + 2 weeks in between + 4 weeks PCT, thats 18 weeks of hardcore training, should I throw in a rest week on one of those in between weeks before my PCT?

run the adex one week after your last shot, begin PCT 21 days after you last injection

expect to keep only 30% of what you gained, and that is on the high end and only if you continue to eat well and train at the same intensity...

also... you SHOULD be training "hardcore" year round if you expect to continue to make improvements to your physique (with the needed rest days here and there when needed)

many of us on here have been training "hardcore" for 20 years+, so if you can't handle 12 weeks plus without having to take a full week off there is something wrong bro

DO NOT fall into the "idiot" group that only "trains" when on cycle

 

[3J]

run the adex one week after your last shot, begin PCT 21 days after you last injection

expect to keep only 30% of what you gained, and that is on the high end and only if you continue to eat well and train at the same intensity...

also... you SHOULD be training "hardcore" year round if you expect to continue to make improvements to your physique (with the needed rest days here and there when needed)

many of us on here have been training "hardcore" for 20 years+, so if you can't handle 12 weeks plus without having to take a full week off there is something wrong bro

DO NOT fall into the "idiot" group that only "trains" when on cycle

that's an even bolder statement.. 30%?? is that what you keep after your cycles?? My clients keep about 70-80%..

i guess if you had the shittiest diet ever on cycle.. ran a horrible training routine.. and had a horrible pct or no pct you can expect to keep 10-30%..

 

[ATVx779]

Why am I getting mixed opinions on time between last injection and PCT. is it 14 or 21 days for cypionate ester? Logically if half life of cypionate is 12 days, thats 12 + 6 + 3 + 1.5 + .75 so about 21 days in your system?

 

[ATVx779]

30%? are you fuking retarded? Lets say that taking AAS increases the speed at which you make gains by double. So if you only keep 30% of your gains, thats basically less gains than training natty in the same time period? Lol gtfo with that shit

 

[Captain America]

30%? are you fuking retarded? Lets say that taking AAS increases the speed at which you make gains by double. So if you only keep 30% of your gains, thats basically less gains than training natty in the same time period? Lol gtfo with that shit

Wow slow your roll man. Did you really think you were going to keep more than that? Do you really think you gained 19 lbs of muscle? You need to come back down to earth and listen more and talk less.

 

[3J]

30 percent is ridiculous if you've had your diet training and pct in check... Why run a cycle in the first place lol... If u keep only that much you've done something wrong

 

[Megatron28]

Why am I getting mixed opinions on time between last injection and PCT. is it 14 or 21 days for cypionate ester? Logically if half life of cypionate is 12 days, thats 12 + 6 + 3 + 1.5 + .75 so about 21 days in your system?

You said that to a guy that has been a member here since 2004. How about having a respectful dialogue? You can disagree in friendly way. I would say you owe him an apology.

 

[Megatron28]

Why am I getting mixed opinions on time between last injection and PCT. is it 14 or 21 days for cypionate ester? Logically if half life of cypionate is 12 days, thats 12 + 6 + 3 + 1.5 + .75 so about 21 days in your system?

Part of the equation is how many milligrams you run.

 

[Flognuts]

I while as well post in this thread too.....as we are in the same position OP.

im 6 weeks into my cycle @ 500mg test-e a week, 500iu HCG a week and 12.5mg aromasin every 3/4 days. Things are going great too, no sides and awesome gains.

Now PCT 14 days after last pin.....im lead to believe nolva is crap. And clomid is the way to go.

proposed PCT is:
clomid 100/100/50/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

Is too much clomid? I see people on the fence about aromasin in PCT too.....but from what I have researched it raises free test upto 60% and binds to SBGH aswell. win/win. opinions?

and OP....you should be able to keep almost of all of your gains if you train hard and keep your calories and diet right.

 

[Captain America]

30 percent is ridiculous if you've had your diet training and pct in check... Why run a cycle in the first place lol... If u keep only that much you've done something wrong

I'll definitely be hitting you up soon. I would like for you to make me a believer.

 

[Megatron28]

I while as well post in this thread too.....as we are in the same position OP.

im 6 weeks into my cycle @ 500mg test-e a week, 500iu HCG a week and 12.5mg aromasin every 3/4 days. Things are going great too, no sides and awesome gains.

Now PCT 14 days after last pin.....im lead to believe nolva is crap. And clomid is the way to go.

proposed PCT is:
clomid 100/100/50/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

Is too much clomid? I see people on the fence about aromasin in PCT too.....but from what I have researched it raises free test upto 60% and binds to SBGH aswell. win/win. opinions?

and OP....you should be able to keep almost of all of your gains if you train hard and keep your calories and diet right.

You should not use an AI during PCT, nor should you be telling other guys to do this.

For PCT you should be running Clomid and Nolva together.



Am I reading your post correctly? It sounds like you started PCT right after your last injection.

 

[jamrock_souljah]

proposed PCT is:
clomid 100/100/50/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

You run AI in cycle leading up to pct, not during pct, just nolva and clomid.