Post cycle therapy-hgc

[rukkus21]

Guys,
im getting alot of diffrent suggestions when to take hcg, and i want to hear it from you all(being the most trusted source) when is the apporate time to take hcg.

my cycle:
test E wks 1-10 500mgs
Tren A wks 2-8 375mgs
Anavar wks 10-16 50mgs

Im not starting for some time, im just getting everything together.

On hand i have hcg and Tamoxifen for pct.

Second question, is it better to run hgh while on cycle or after? - just for knowledge

 

[dirtnap]

Guys,
im getting alot of diffrent suggestions when to take hcg, and i want to hear it from you all(being the most trusted source) when is the apporate time to take hcg.

my cycle:
test E wks 1-10 500mgs
Tren A wks 2-8 375mgs
Anavar wks 10-16 50mgs

Im not starting for some time, im just getting everything together.

On hand i have hcg and Tamoxifen for pct.

Second question, is it better to run hgh while on cycle or after? - just for knowledge

I'm new here but not to AAS. I've only used HCG on cycle but it really makes for a softer landing versus no HCG. Seems the latest info and even Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) docs are recommending 250iu HCG 2x per week.

The idea is that you're never entirely shutdown with this protocol- therefore it's easy to get back to normal. LH still still gets shutdown but since HCG mimics LH and you keep on producing natural lest and keep the testies sensitive.

I've had very soft landings and excellent recoveries this way. Then for pct running your Nolva at a low dose for 4 weeks (10-20mg ed) while making the core of your PCT the TRS stack from Primordial Performance really gets things going fast. Helps libido too - which somtimes nolva only can tank.

 

[rukkus21]

dirtnap thanks for the quick reply, ive heard 500iu x2 a week is usally the standard. this is what im leaning towards, but i just want to see what people say. thanks again man!

 

[dirtnap]

dirtnap thanks for the quick reply, ive heard 500iu x2 a week is usally the standard. this is what im leaning towards, but i just want to see what people say. thanks again man!

That won't be bad either. You want just enough to keep the testies sensitive. I just completed an 18 weeker w/ 250 iu 2 x per week and had a great recovery with the above protocol.

Either will work. The key is keeping them active. If you opt for the HCG post cycle route you have to use a lot more and risk some other sides along w/ desensitizing yourself to HCG. Lotta people like that way too though.

 

[Biggin]

It's best to run HGH throughout the cycle and after. The longer the better Imo, that is if U can afford to run it for a long duration. 8 months or longer at 6-8ius ed, for muscle building properties.

 

[snigg]

dirtnap, what week do you start using the HCG, and when do you stop? Im gonna go with the 250iu's 2x/week during my cycle.

 

[Rogue Chemist]

Run it during your cycle. The entire legnth of it. I'd say 250iu Mon,Wed,Fri.

 

[snigg]

Run it during your cycle. The entire legnth of it. I'd say 250iu Mon,Wed,Fri.

3 days a week? interesting. there is so many mixed opinions on this.

 

[Rogue Chemist]

3 days a week? interesting. there is so many mixed opinions on this.

There are so many different ways to run it.
1)I've heard of people running 500iu back to back days every week, the whole cycle.

2)250iu 3Xweek.

3)I've heard of people running it 500iu everyday till gone during PCT.

I personally do the 2nd one. I'd say its personal preference though, within reason.

 

[Ythrashin]

There are different protocols that you can run..

100-200IU's EOD
or you can go the 3 times per week or 2 times per week...

Really its a preference.

I personally do 500iu's twice a week when I run a course of HCG.

I use to do 200iu's EOD...got tired of the pinning and sometimes I got busy.

Really... just stay anywhere between 500iu-1000iu's per week. Split up your dosages to 500iu's or less.

Dont mega dose and keep your leydig cells exposed and running.

 

[snigg]

so 250iu's twice a week, same day as I inject my test is sufficient? starting on week 1 right up until my last test injection? or continue after i stop test injects and stop right before PCT?

 

[rukkus21]

1st off thanks every one!
im thinking 250iu is more in my range(after doing my research).
lastly like snigg said, does it matter if i inject test e that say?

 

[dirtnap]

dirtnap, what week do you start using the HCG, and when do you stop? Im gonna go with the 250iu's 2x/week during my cycle.

I start on week 3 and do Monday and Thursday. Last shot is on the same day as my last AAS injection for long esters.

That is one hot AVI BTW Snigg

 

[robbocopp]

good to see everyone on board to run HcG the entire cycle.

that said:

1. 2x / week at 250IU's is plenty. 3x is good also. ANY MORE OFTEN and it is useless since it doesn't peak for 36 hrs and goes to baseline levels in 72hrs. The difference between 2x and 3x/week is like arguing whether you should do a test-e injection every 6 days or just once a week on Saturday.

2. don't run more than 250iu's - that's enough to maintain natural production level. 300-500IU's won't "hurt" you but won't help any either. Opinions are split with doses higher than that (500iu's) -- some say it will damage and desensitize testes - others say it is excreted in urine and doesn't damage. However, between "excreted" and "damage" there's NO literature pointing to any benefit - so why do it ????

3. preferable to take it 1-2 days before you test injection since it peaks 36hrs later. However, for a long period of time I don't know if it will make much difference. The "idea" is that the day you take your TEST injection is the day when your levels are "lowest" - so, if your HCG shot is 2 days prior - your natural test levels will be highest at that time compensating for the low exogenous test. But, if you have a lot of test coming in it won't matter too much.

START first HcG injection 3-5 days after your first test injection.Otherwise, after 48 hrs of test injection your production is very close to ZERO.

LAST HCG injection roughly 14 days AFTER last test injection. When you do your last HcG injection start nolva (tamoxifen). Stay on Tamox (nolva) for 3/4 weeks - if you have some exemestane EVEN BETTER. You'll probably feel good about your libido from the very beginning to the end.

It's all you need - if you can get your hands on some CLENBUTEROL for 3/4 weeks with tamox -- you are in v.good shape and you'll enjoy having your nice big balls intact.

 

[dirtnap]

good to see everyone on board to run HcG the entire cycle.

that said:

1. 2x / week at 250IU's is plenty. 3x is good also. ANY MORE OFTEN and it is useless since it doesn't peak for 36 hrs and goes to baseline levels in 72hrs. The difference between 2x and 3x/week is like arguing whether you should do a test-e injection every 6 days or just once a week on Saturday.

2. don't run more than 250iu's - that's enough to maintain natural production level. 300-500IU's won't "hurt" you but won't help any either. Opinions are split with doses higher than that (500iu's) -- some say it will damage and desensitize testes - others say it is excreted in urine and doesn't damage. However, between "excreted" and "damage" there's NO literature pointing to any benefit - so why do it ????

3. preferable to take it 1-2 days before you test injection since it peaks 36hrs later. However, for a long period of time I don't know if it will make much difference. The "idea" is that the day you take your TEST injection is the day when your levels are "lowest" - so, if your HCG shot is 2 days prior - your natural test levels will be highest at that time compensating for the low exogenous test. But, if you have a lot of test coming in it won't matter too much.

START first HcG injection 3-5 days after your first test injection.Otherwise, after 48 hrs of test injection your production is very close to ZERO.

LAST HCG injection roughly 14 days AFTER last test injection. When you do your last HcG injection start nolva (tamoxifen). Stay on Tamox (nolva) for 3/4 weeks - if you have some exemestane EVEN BETTER. You'll probably feel good about your libido from the very beginning to the end.

It's all you need - if you can get your hands on some CLENBUTEROL for 3/4 weeks with tamox -- you are in v.good shape and you'll enjoy having your nice big balls intact.

Great post. Just don't like the idea of taking the HCG two weeks after the last shot since it can be suppressive to as well. However, it probably doesn't matter since it takes at least that long for the esters to clear.

The TRS I mentioned earlier is a great add as well. Makes post cycle therapy (pct) so much smoother.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

im def running the TRS stack during my post cycle therapy (pct) this time-im glad to hear you like it-and look forward to trying it

 

[snigg]

Great post's gentleman. Laid it out in a format that is easy for us noobs to understand. It is greatly appreciated!

 

[marcem]

Yea God this is just crazily confusing trying to sort through all the diff protocols all over the net when you have no clue and are a first timer. I was told by an hrt guy to take 1000iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) twice a week with temox 3xwk along with the test and deca I was on for a 5 month cycle and continue with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at half that dose for post cycle along with temox or two weeks then add clomid and temox only for last three weeks.

Now I am getting that no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during pct is the best way. I also am hearing that aromasin or something similar is better than temox for the entire cycle/pct. So why even purchase temox. Should I just continue arimidex or aromasin and add clomid and that is it for ptc? I am almost afraid to ask cause I know everyone is doing something different but if anyone can let me know if I am on the right track now with the above protocol I would really appreciate it.

 

[marcem]

also what is a trs stack and where do you find it if I can ask?