Post Cycle Therapy or Clonid Reset 2x a year on TRT?

[theheat]

I'm currently on Test E 200mg wk, HCG 250 IU's 2x wk, and Adex .5mg 2x week. I want to preserve some natural function should I have to come off TRT for some reason, so the program I'm on recommends a "clomid reset" 2x year which consists of 50mg Clomid, .5mg Adex, and 250IUs of HCG per day for 30 days. I asked why the reset didn't include Nolvadex and why the HCG was necessary if I was taking Clomid, but that's what the Dr recommended for a reset.

Does anyone else follow the same protocol, and of so do you feel it's beneficial?

 

[Mycelium]

This doesn't sound like it's for testicles. Thats why hCG is added. It acts like LH.

It's for LH and FSH production in your brain. Adex lowers estrogen production by stopping aromatase. Nolvadex and Clomid basically take estrogens place on receptors but don't register making itbseem like estrogen is lower. Low estrogen tells your body to produce LH/FSH to send to your testicles.
Testicles make testoserone. Aromatase converts test to estrogen.

Is there some merit behind this? Can the hypothalamus and pituitary "atrophy" like balls?

 

[theheat]

Basically, I'm wondering what PCT protocol is most effective:

1. HCG, Clomid, and Adex.

Or

2. Clomid and Nolvadex.


I've been advised to do a PCT/ "Clomid reset" 2x a year while on HRT, as I want to preserve some testicular function should I have to go off for some reason.

 

[Mycelium]

hCG is used to maintain your testicles. They don't need restarted. It is your hypothalamus and pituitary. Not that they shut off but . . . . This copy paste shows the cycle of testoserone.


"Your Hypothalamus (This is your master gland in your brain)*secretes GnRH, that causes your*pituitary gland to*secrete LH & FSH. *The increase in these hormones causes the testes to stimulate the Leydig cells to produce testosterone (by conversion of cholesterol). Testosterone then*has the ability to undergo various metabolic processes that will inhibit GnRH, which in turn inhibits the secretion of LH and FSH, and that brings a halt to natural testosterone production. This is referred to as the negative feedback loop.**Once testosterone has stopped being produced, it no longer sends this negative signal, and GnRH eventually begins to do its job again." . . .

Adex inhibits the creation of estrogen. It's needed because of the injected testoserone. Very few people slightly adjust their testoserone dose to a point where estrogen doesn't need to be controlled. It's in the TRT sticky. We just shoot test, eat adex and lower the dose until our labs are in range. Use hCG to keep the boys fluffy

Clomid and nolvadex are used to restart your hypothalamus and pituitary. They stop the negative feedback loop because they bind to a receptor but don't do anything. GnRH increases>LH (mimicked by hCG) AND FSH are created.

Of you run a clomid/Nolva pct/restart thing is isn't necessarily for testicles but it will increase FSH which I can't say is bad. I also wonder if getting the natural LH and FSH pumping once in a while ibwould be good.

Running it with test and adex . . I don't know. Stopping TRT to run a PCT and then going back on may just cause side effects from hormonal fluctuations and not really provide any benefit.

 

[theheat]

I'm on 250IUs of HCG 2x a week while I'm on HRT. I understand what each compound is used for and the effects it has on the HPTA axis, and I'm doing a PCT 2x a year on HRT in case I have to go off someday (my total T was 400 before I started but I felt awful).

My big question is why my Dr would have me on HCG and Clomid at the same time while doing a PCT. Clomid is telling my pituitary to make LH, so why take HCG which mimics it? Also, most standard PCTs include Nolvadex, but my Dr told me to take .5mg Adex per day and that Nolvadex wasn't necessary. I just want to make sure that the HCG/Clomid/Adex protocol is just as effective as the Clomid/Nolvadex one.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Basically, I'm wondering what PCT protocol is most effective:

1. HCG, Clomid, and Adex.

Or

2. Clomid and Nolvadex.


I've been advised to do a PCT/ "Clomid reset" 2x a year while on HRT, as I want to preserve some testicular function should I have to go off for some reason.

you are on hrt, skip PCT in this case. some use HCG if they want to keep bigger balls but many dont nor care, i dont.
if you where trying to have a baby then a burst of hcg then clomid may higher chances. other than that i would not bother. if your on hrt thengo back to hrt dose of test the following week after cycle and continue as normal

 

[theheat]

I was just going to resume my normal dose, but I wanted to run my BW first to ensure everything is ok. I'm already a week into the pct so I'll finish it before resuming. It's also nice not having to pin 2x a week for a little while.

I'll probably drop the HCG and just use Clomid during the pct, as I've been using HCG whIle on TRT to maintain function, and it doesn't seem necessary during PCT. I'll continue to take .5mg Adex with 20mg Nolvadex daily, and keep my Clomid at 50mg day.

 

[casanovaaa]

I was just going to resume my normal dose, but I wanted to run my BW first to ensure everything is ok. I'm already a week into the pct so I'll finish it before resuming. It's also nice not having to pin 2x a week for a little while.

I'll probably drop the HCG and just use Clomid during the pct, as I've been using HCG whIle on TRT to maintain function, and it doesn't seem necessary during PCT. I'll continue to take .5mg Adex with 20mg Nolvadex daily, and keep my Clomid at 50mg day.

yes on dropping the hcg as it is not needed during pct. when are you doing BW's next?

 

[theheat]

I can't understand why the TRT doc would prescribe Clomid with HCG and no Nolvadex.....

I was going to do BW a few days after I finish the PCT. I did BW around the same time after my last PCT and my TT was 750 with everything else being in range.

 

[Entourage_Doc]

Yes, we use clomid and hcg together for reset

 

[theheat]

Can you please explain how HCG and Clomid complement each other?

 

[Slhardee]

What are your labs? Why are you on TRT to begin with? A normal restart uses Clomid and Novadex

 

[scorob777]

I've read so many articles from so many sources that I can't remember where I saw it - but heard that in the context of PCT restart you shouldn't take clomid at the same time as HCG, but that it is ok to overlap HCG with nolvadex for a week or so at the start then you transition to only clomid & nolva.

 

[IMT staff]

When you are on TRT there is no reason to do a "PCT", unless you just don't feel like poking yourself anymore or you can't keep your blood count under control.