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For some reason unknown to me ghrps and cjc seem to destroy stomach fat might be worth a look it wont do much for your low test but could help you get rid of the unwanted stomach fat goodluck

by increasing HGH production you can burn more body fat. HGH is converted to insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) in your liver. IGF-1 competes with the same receptor sites as insulin. When it does this, less glucose is transported into your cells to burn as energy, so your body will burn fat instead.
 
That is retarded. Find a new doctor.

Agreed.

I picked up the AndroGel and doing 2 pumps per day every morning since Wednesday.

However, I am waiting for my phone consultation with a clinic in Tampa, FL. Will probably be a few weeks before I can start injecting so using the gel until then. I already did all the required lab work so I think I'm good to go for now.

I am not planning on refilling the gel prescription after this month's supply is gone.

Is my Free Test level consistent with everything else?
 
by increasing HGH production you can burn more body fat. HGH is converted to insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) in your liver. IGF-1 competes with the same receptor sites as insulin. When it does this, less glucose is transported into your cells to burn as energy, so your body will burn fat instead.
You sir are an encylopeida of knowledge im going to start calling you the boss
 
For some reason unknown to me ghrps and cjc seem to destroy stomach fat might be worth a look it wont do much for your low test but could help you get rid of the unwanted stomach fat goodluck

I don't know if Rock is going to read your advice.

If he does, I hope he starts his own thread.
 
ah fair enough mate he did sort of hijack your thread i probley shouldn't of answered him . How is the gel goin ???

I think it's too soon to notice anything so far. However, I do look forward to getting up early to apply the gel.

Hopefully early this upcoming week I can get my initial consult scheduled so I can figure out my next step.
 
Hello peeps,

Several years ago I had pain and what felt like a growth near my right testicle. Saw the VA doc and was told I had a varicocele. Shortly after I had an ultra sound to verify but when I met with the urologist he hadn't seen the results and said he felt the varicocele but that I also had a hernia.

For one reason or another I didn't follow up again until six months later and had another doctor confirm both.

Fast forward six years to last week, I saw a nurse practitioner and went over all my unresolved issues as well as some new ones. Since I mentioned being worried about the varicocele affecting my test production she added test to the lab work but of course not anything else to help diagnose specific causes/problems.

She called me today with the results and said everything was fine (no varicocele, no hernia seen on the ultra sound) but my Vitamin D is too low. Of course I asked about the test and she said "it's fine." Naturally I wanted to know the exact number and she said it came in at 245.

Now I know she isn't the right person to discus testosterone ranges or anything else really so I insisted she refer me to a urologist because I still have the "bag of worms" and occasional tenderness/pain in both testicles.

I am posting this here for any insight, tips, wisdom, advice or words of encouragement I can get.

tl:dr version...I am a 36 year old 5'7" 205lbs 25% body fat veteran being treated at the VA and I may or may not have varicocele(s) but definitely have testosterone at 245.

Also...I have been going to the gym Mon-Fri since mid Feb. Tracking my macros since then too. About 2200-2400 calories on days that I lift. About 1900-2100 all other days. Just started 16/8 fasting on non-lifting days (Tues, Thurs, Sat and Sun).

Mon/Wed/Fri I do Stronglifts 5x5 with a couple accessory exercises.

Tue/Thurs I do cardio on stationary bike for 35-55 mins keeping my heart rate at about 120-130 beats a minute.

Lost about 4-5 pounds since mid Feb.

Sounds like a Test issue in general, but im not a doctor. Thanks for your service and im glad you went to the VA first, they should be able to help you out just really get one on one with your doctor take notes before you see him so you can bring everything to light. Also be careful when fasting your body needs the protien and vitamins you would normally consume. ever look at shakeology? good luck
 
Hello peeps!

My missing lab results came in today.

DHEA-S 165 (102.6-416.3)
Estradiol Sensitive 18.9 (8-35)

I was worried for a bit about using the AndroGel while waiting for my consult. But spoke to the Dr. and he said the AndroGel was fine as a "bridge" until June when I can get on a proper protocol.
 
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Quick update...

My consult appointment got moved to May 24th.

Only a few days away so I will let you guys know what protocol I end up with. I think my doc prefers low dose clomid to start but I don't know if he will recommend it for me based on my labs and/or the fact I will have been using AndroGel for 3 weeks.

So far on AndroGel I have a bit more sweating going on and maybe some extra hair on side of shoulders but not sure.

I haven't started taking DHEA yet but did order some from Amazon.

I will report back on Tuesday evening.
 
Quick update...

Had my consultation on Tuesday afternoon. Here's my protocol:

70mg Test Cyp twice a week
500IUs HCG twice a week (day before T shots)

The meds and needles/syringes came in today (except for the syringes that go with my 25 gauge 5/8" needles). Mixed the HCG easy enough and the injection near my belly button was fairly easy and painless.

I was going to wait for the other syringes to come in so I can draw and inject the Test using the 25 gauge needle. But I couldn't wait so I used the 30 gauge 1/2" insulin needle and it worked well enough. Drawing the test took a while but I managed. Injected into my right quad and it was pretty easy too.

SO...no more AndroGel.

I will update this thread with any changes, questions etc.

Take it easy peeps!
 
Quick update...

Had my consultation on Tuesday afternoon. Here's my protocol:

70mg Test Cyp twice a week
500IUs HCG twice a week (day before T shots)

The meds and needles/syringes came in today (except for the syringes that go with my 25 gauge 5/8" needles). Mixed the HCG easy enough and the injection near my belly button was fairly easy and painless.

I was going to wait for the other syringes to come in so I can draw and inject the Test using the 25 gauge needle. But I couldn't wait so I used the 30 gauge 1/2" insulin needle and it worked well enough. Drawing the test took a while but I managed. Injected into my right quad and it was pretty easy too.

SO...no more AndroGel.

I will update this thread with any changes, questions etc.

Take it easy peeps!

Day before T shots doesn't make much sense. HCG has a Bi-phasic pattern. It stimulates the testes to secret T initially and then a second lower curve 72 hours later.

That puts you 48 hour post TC inject, the very top.
 
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Day before T shots doesn't make much sense. HCG has a Bi-phasic pattern. It stimulates the testes to secret T initially and then a second lower curve 72 hours later.

That puts you 48 post TC inject, the very top.

I think I know what you mean but can't tell if doing it this way is bad for me.

How do you recommend? Same day? Day after? Or it doesn't really matter?
 
What days are you going to do your T injects?

It may not matter but peaking both at the same time is asking for aroma.

Thats why for our guys that do 2x week T we like 1x per week HCG.

In the end whatever works is best, thats just generally what we see.
 
Or low dose QOD

Context and Objective: In men with infertility secondary to gonadotropin deficiency, treatment with relatively high dosages of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) stimulates intratesticular testosterone (IT-T) biosynthesis and spermatogenesis. Previously we found that lower dosages of hCG stimulated IT-T to normal. However, the minimal dose of hCG needed to stimulate IT-T and the dose-response relationship between very low doses of hCG and IT-T and serum testosterone in normal men is unknown.

Design, Setting, Patients, and Intervention: We induced experimental gonadotropin deficiency in 37 normal men with the GnRH antagonist acyline and randomized them to receive one of four low doses of hCG: 0, 15, 60, or 125 IU sc every other day or 7.5 g daily testosterone gel for 10 d. Testicular fluid was obtained by percutaneous aspiration for steroid measurements at baseline and after 10 d of treatment and correlated with contemporaneous serum hormone measurements.

Results: Median (25th, 75th percentile) baseline IT-T was 2508 nmol/liter (1753, 3502 nmol/liter). IT-T concentrations increased in a dose-dependent manner with very low-dosage hCG administration from 77 nmol/liter (40, 122 nmol/liter) to 923 nmol/liter (894, 1017 nmol/liter) in the 0- and 125-IU groups, respectively (P < 0.001). Moreover, serum hCG was significantly correlated with both IT-T and serum testosterone (P < 0.01).

Conclusion: Doses of hCG far lower than those used clinically increase IT-T concentrations in a dose-dependent manner in normal men with experimental gonadotropin deficiency. Assessment of IT-T provides a valuable tool to investigate the hormonal regulation of spermatogenesis in man.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2913032/
 
Yea thats what I mean HCG 2x a week just doesn't work good with that schedule IMO. Personally I would do QOD or once a week.

I personally am not a fan of bi-weekly TC dosing. Some people swear by it.
 
Yea thats what I mean HCG 2x a week just doesn't work good with that schedule IMO. Personally I would do QOD or once a week.

I personally am not a fan of bi-weekly TC dosing. Some people swear by it.

He did say he preferred HCG 100IU/day if I didn't mind injecting every day but that bi-weekly was fine until I become more comfortable.
 
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