Preparing for 1st Cycle - Help Appreciated

[SD.Brah.]

So I have been lurking about this forum as well as a few others, researching and looking around trying to figure out what the best way I could do my 1st cycle for optimal gains with minimal sides.

Age: 24
Weight: 195
BF%: 12% (currently cutting)

Looking to gain as much strength and mass as I can without going overboard in the bf% department, though I am willing/ready to have the diet needed to get the most out of a cycle.

My cycle plan so far is a simple beginner 10 Week Cycle:

Test Enanthanate - 500mg/Week
PCT - Clomid/Nolva

On Hand - Nolva for Gyno

I was also considering getting some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) just as an extra precaution (I don't want anything to happen to my little buddies if it can be avoided lol). I have heard of using 300-500iu's every 3-5 days during cycle for this, would that be a good idea?

I'm just looking for some simple advice before I get the gear. I'm currently finishing off a cut, won't be starting the cycle for about two months just figured I'd get the specifics/research out of the way now.


thanks in advance for any help eh

 

[JuicyJuggalo]

Nolva and clomid for PCT, keep an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) "on hand", such as arimidex. I would go torem over nolva, its just better

 

[Polynikes666]

Looks good. I would recommend some minor changes:

1) Use Aromasin for gyno control, not Nolvadex.

2) 10 weeks is fine, but I'd prefer 12.

3) Your Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) usage looks fine, just be sure to discontinue use prior to PCT.

It's nice to see that some folk do a bit of research before they post.

Poly

 

[SD.Brah.]

Looks good. I would recommend some minor changes:

1) Use Aromasin for gyno control, not Nolvadex.

2) 10 weeks is fine, but I'd prefer 12.

3) Your Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) usage looks fine, just be sure to discontinue use prior to PCT.

It's nice to see that some folk do a bit of research before they post.

Poly

1) haven't heard of Aromasin in the past (this is why I'm glad that I have a forum like this to get advice from people with experience). I read up a bit on Aromasin, would you prefer it to Arimadex? Is it more expensive (typically)?

2) I wanted to do 12 as well, but my source sells it at 250mg/ml in 10ml vials, so its easier to just do 10 or 15 week cycles @ 500mg and I figured 10 would be better for a first timer.

3) Your supposed to stop using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a week before your PCT or a week before you end your cycle (assuming I start PCT 2 weeks after my last pin)?

thanks, I want to be as well informed as I can before I do this and I don't wanna waste anyone time or clutter these forums lol.

Nolva and clomid for PCT, keep an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) "on hand", such as arimidex. I would go torem over nolva, its just better

torem = Toremifene Citrate?

I've heard of it in the past being a safer alternative to nolva but haven't heard alot of anecdotal experience/knowledge on it. WHy do you recommend it over nolva?

 

[glubgawd]

1) haven't heard of Aromasin in the past (this is why I'm glad that I have a forum like this to get advice from people with experience). I read up a bit on Aromasin, would you prefer it to Arimadex? Is it more expensive (typically)?

Yes, aromasin is better than arimidex. Price depends on where you get it.

2) I wanted to do 12 as well, but my source sells it at 250mg/ml in 10ml vials, so its easier to just do 10 or 15 week cycles @ 500mg and I figured 10 would be better for a first timer.

Get a third vial anyways and run the cycle 12 weeks. You can save the rest for a future cycle....you'll find that you're constantly needing odd amounts of test anyways.

3) Your supposed to stop using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a week before your PCT or a week before you end your cycle (assuming I start PCT 2 weeks after my last pin)?

About a week before PCT.

thanks, I want to be as well informed as I can before I do this and I don't wanna waste anyone time or clutter these forums lol.



torem = Toremifene Citrate?

Yes. Imo it's the best option for post cycle therapy (pct). Blows clomid and nolva out of the water.

I've heard of it in the past being a safer alternative to nolva but haven't heard alot of anecdotal experience/knowledge on it. WHy do you recommend it over nolva?

Responses are in bold.

 

[SD.Brah.]

Responses are in bold.

Okay I was considering on getting the third vial and holding onto it. How long would a vial typically keep (this may be a silly/awkward question, but hey I need to ask it) for? I know that most people say that you should take a break between cycles as long as how long you have been on your previous cycle for (including pct). So this vial would keep for that long fine?


So torem alone for PCT?

 

[glubgawd]

Okay I was considering on getting the third vial and holding onto it. How long would a vial typically keep (this may be a silly/awkward question, but hey I need to ask it) for? I know that most people say that you should take a break between cycles as long as how long you have been on your previous cycle for (including pct). So this vial would keep for that long fine?


So torem alone for PCT?

Vial will last for a long time. Just store it in the room that typically stays the coolest and in the dark. I've used stuff that was years old and had no issues. It'll definitely last you until your next cycle at the very least.

 

[SD.Brah.]

Vial will last for a long time. Just store it in the room that typically stays the coolest and in the dark. I've used stuff that was years old and had no issues. It'll definitely last you until your next cycle at the very least.

alright that makes perfect sense, thanks alot for all the help. I can't wait to finish this cut and get to work

 

[TheAdversary]

With a first time cycle like this, how much of an issue would it be to run it without the HCG?

 

[JuicyJuggalo]

Your balls will take a big hit in atrophy.. That is all

 

[SD.Brah.]

So I think I got it all worked out.

Weeks 1-12: test ethanate - 500mg/week

PCT:
Day 1-10: Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - 500iu/day ED 10 days
Day 14-end: Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 20/20/10/10/10/10
Aromasin 25mg ED

How does this look? Gonna cost me a bit more, but I want to be on the safer side of things.

 

[SD.Brah.]

bump brahs

 

[DADAWG]

So I think I got it all worked out.

Weeks 1-12: test ethanate - 500mg/week

post cycle therapy (pct):
Day 1-10: Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - 500iu/day ED 10 days
Day 14-end: Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 20/20/10/10/10/10
Aromasin 25mg ED

How does this look? Gonna cost me a bit more, but I want to be on the safer side of things.

i would rather see you use 500iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every week while on cycle to prevent atrophy than trying to recover from atrophy at the end.start Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after week 2 and run until 3 days before post cycle therapy (pct) starts.

 

[SD.Brah.]

i would rather see you use 500iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every week while on cycle to prevent atrophy than trying to recover from atrophy at the end.start Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after week 2 and run until 3 days before pct starts.

That was the original way I was thinking about doing it, but I had heard that it can also be done at the end. I was Planning on doing it this way to save some money, but I am not here to put money ahead of safety/health.

Would it be alright to take it from week 4-14, as I can only get the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in 5000iu vials which gives me a 10 week supply. That would have me using the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from around when the test would really start kicking in (test e is a slow starter correct?) and then up until 3 days before post cycle therapy (pct). Would that work? I'm open to recommendations, I'm here to learn from people with experience.

 

[DADAWG]

That was the original way I was thinking about doing it, but I had heard that it can also be done at the end. I was Planning on doing it this way to save some money, but I am not here to put money ahead of safety/health.

Would it be alright to take it from week 4-14, as I can only get the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in 5000iu vials which gives me a 10 week supply. That would have me using the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from around when the test would really start kicking in (test e is a slow starter correct?) and then up until 3 days before post cycle therapy (pct). Would that work? I'm open to recommendations, I'm here to learn from people with experience.

that should be fine , keep a cycle log in the cycle forum and keep us updated.

 

[SD.Brah.]

that should be fine , keep a cycle log in the cycle forum and keep us updated.

okay thanks for the advice, and yeah I was planning on keeping a log. I'm currently finishing up a cut and won't start my cycle for another month to a month and a half, I just wanted to get it all planned it out before starting.

 

[tednatas]

Welcome to the board Brah'

Sd here as well

 

[fishfreak]

I would not take your pct for granted however. Always, I means always have extra left over just in case there are issues after you least expect them...I'd have extra Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), clomid & aromasin.. Wich by the way will actually help elevate your Igf 1 levels I hear ?

 

[SD.Brah.]

Welcome to the board Brah'

Sd here as well

thanks brah, I live up in the Great White North (Canada) now though. Jelly that u have all dat dere SD sun and its like -15 outside right now (celsius)

 

[SD.Brah.]

I would not take your pct for granted however. Always, I means always have extra left over just in case there are issues after you least expect them...I'd have extra Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), clomid & aromasin.. Wich by the way will actually help elevate your Igf 1 levels I hear ?

Yeah your right, I plan on getting my stuff for this cycle from a guy out of town but I have a (more expensive) source in the city that I can go to in case things take a turn for the worse.

which do u mean raises Igf 1 levels? I'm a rather big newbie to this stuff