Prop vs Enth in total concentration build up?

[Russell77]

As many newer guys do, I'm overthinking my next cycle planned for the end of the year, so please bear with me if this is a dumb question

It'll be my 4th, and after all my reading on test p vs. test e I haven't come across mention of how Enth would build up to significantly higher average levels than Prop (if I'm understanding the half lives and absorption correctly).

Numbers from the recent post I made about fluctuations suggest when you compare injecting each at 126mg EOD (~440mg/wk), after 2-4wks when things level out, the Prop in your body fluctuates between 180-250mg, while the Enth fluctuates between 635-700mg.

Wouldn't that make Enth a better choice? What am I missing that makes prop so popular?

So far I've only used enth and cyp as frequently as e4d, but am very interested in trying prop EOD to see how it affects gains vs. sides

My most recent 3month cycle of test e @480/wk + deca @570/wk have me hooked now after seeing significant gains, some really decent weight loss, and very minimal sides compared to the first 2.

Thanks for the help getting this far!

 

[Teutonic]

COMES DOWN pinning how much how often

 

[J-Radical]

One of the reasons a lot of people take prop is because of the difference in water retention. E seems to keep a little more water on you than prop. At least that's the way it is with me.

 

[Norsegod]

Yes, you'll have a higher concentration of the test e, but not all of it is active. The ester needs to be cleaved off. I prefer prop myself as I do not bloat on it, while I bloat quite a bit on long ester test. I have seen zero difference in gains, just a difference in bloat. I'd rather look lean continuously than like a balloon for a few months out of the year. Basically as it's stated above... it comes down to how often you want to pin.

 

[Russell77]

So if I'm planning to pin EOD to experiment with NPP and experience more stable levels compared to previous E4d.... Other than bloat (which I don't seem to notice, and thought was easily controlled with an AI), is there any benefit to using test p EOD over Enth EOD?

Thanks guys.

 

[Norsegod]

Npp does not aromitize. Am ai will do nothing for you with a nandrolone. You need a dopamine agonist. As far as test, yes the only difference is pinning and bloat. Test prop has more actual test in it add the ester takes up less room than the enanthate ester, but it's not a ton more.

 

[Russell77]

Npp does not aromitize. Am ai will do nothing for you with a nandrolone. You need a dopamine agonist.

Not sure if you thought I was referring to bloat from nandrolone, or saying an AI would help with that, but I understand the difference, and have experienced when I ran 14wks with deca and prami that worked out great.

I was referring to bloat from Enth vs Prop due to elevated E2 levels, which from my experience are easy to control with aromasin.

Test prop has more actual test in it add the ester takes up less room than the enanthate ester, but it's not a ton more.

I've never understood this reasoning to support prop being better or "more powerful" than enth. I understand math (the ratio of test to ester), but wouldn't a tiny compensation in shooting slightly more enth be easy to calculate and make it a moot point?

As far as test, yes the only difference is pinning and bloat.

For me a difference is also the volumes being injected. I can get Test E at 250mg/ml, but prop only at 100mg/ml. Add NPP at 100mg/ml and it's ~3ml EOD vs. 2ml EOD.

 

[Teutonic]

dose and pinning

npp is a short lived deca basically

 

[ketogenicbulldog]

Biggest cause of bloat is 1 of 2 things. Diet and E2 levels. The ester should have little to do with it BUT since your blood levels increase significantly more on a long ester so does your e2 and therefore it needs to be monitored with a corresponding increase of AI dose.

For example if you are pinning test e 1X/Week starting day one at 500mg your test levels will be right around 937mg on Day 22 of your cycle (lower if you're pinning 2X/week...around 778mg)

For test prop at 167mg e/2.3333 days (3X/Week totaling 500mg) your levels will max out @301mg...HUGE DIFFERENCE

This does not take the extra heavier ester weight into account which is about 13% less than prop or 7/8ths of the hormone is left when compared to prop.

So this would probably explain why people bloat more on test e. Test levels increase significantly, e2 levels shoot up and all of a sudden 2-3 weeks into cycle you are holding lots of water b/c your AI dose has stayed the same.

 

[Russell77]

For example if you are pinning test e 1X/Week starting day one at 500mg your test levels will be right around 937mg on Day 22 of your cycle (lower if you're pinning 2X/week...around 778mg)

For test prop at 167mg e/2.3333 days (3X/Week totaling 500mg) your levels will max out @301mg...HUGE DIFFERENCE

Thank you! This is what I was talking about...

SO my question is, does the elevated average level from Test E provide any advantage that outweighs advantages over prop???

I know there's a reason the guys who REALLY know what they're doing often choose prop, but I'm also sure a lot of guys are just followers who've been told "prop makes you skinny, and enth bloats you up".
This is actually what I was taught from day one from local guys, then did my own research and decided on enth for my first 3 cycles.
Meanwhile local guys still blew up like puffer fish on prop, and I had little to no issues on enth since I'd incorporated a small dose of AI.. which they hadn't even heard of.
I also happened to put on 3x more muscle than them per cycle.

 

[jozifp103]

i believe in total you're still getting the same amount of test. enth and cyp build up to higher levels, but a lot of the test in your system is still attached to the ester so it is not bio-available yet. with prop there is a lower concentration, but it is released from the ester faster before it can build up. so in the long run you're getting the same amount of test in total.

disclaimer: i do not know if any of that is true facts it is merely my theory based on my personal understanding.