Proposed first cycle- enth, winny; anything to add?

[Kow]

I'm planning my first cycle which should begin in mid-September. I'm 6'1, ~185, probably 14-16%. I hope to be at least 12% by then. Been training for 2 years seriously, 3 total. Experience with T3, low-dose DNP soon, and various PHs. What I plan to do is...

1000mg Enth Wk 1-2
500mg Enth Wk 3-8
50mg Winstrol (winny) EOD Wk 6-10
.5 A-dex ED, Nolva on hand, Clomid starting after last Winstrol (winny) inject

I'm hoping for lean gains. Plan to keep cals around 4000-4500, hope to get at least 250g of protein a day. If I do fluctuate the cals any, it will be during the 4 weeks that I introduce the Winny.

So, I have a few specific questions...

1) Should I frontload the enth, frontload something besides that (prop maybe), or not frontload at all?
2) Keep the Winstrol (winny)? Or just go with straight Test since it's my first? I added it to help cut a little toward the end.
3) Anything that I missed?

Thanks for any help.

 

[Nimrod25]

Keep what you got. Perfect.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Seeing as it is going to be your first cycle, I would not recommend front-loading as you are not going to be sure how you are going to react to the Test.

Iwould just go with the Test Enanthate @ 500 mg/week for 8-10 weeks, leave out the Winstrol (winny) this time and start Clomid 2 weeks after your last injection.

 

[AP2]

looks good!

 

[Eze]

Seeing as it is going to be your first cycle, I would not recommend front-loading as you are not going to be sure how you are going to react to the Test.

Iwould just go with the Test Enanthate @ 500 mg/week for 8-10 weeks, leave out the Winstrol (winny) this time and start Clomid 2 weeks after your last injection.

Once again ...... I agree with SC.

I ran 400mg of Enan for 10 weeks and I gained 20+ pounds. I also ran LR Liquidex throughout so water weight is minimal. IMO you don't need any more than this for a first cycle.

 

[ready2explode]

Im with SC also...500mgs of test solo for a first cycle is just fine. Looks like you've been doing some research which is refreshing.

Not trying to slite you, but you're stats arent very good. Be sure your DIET (most important) is intact. Get those 250 grams of protien in a day! Also be sure to get 8 hours of rest a nite, and obviously you have to go to the gym.

 

[Annonamous1]

Looks good but I would drop the frontloading. No need for over a gram of gear on your first cycle.

 

[Kow]

Not trying to slite you, but you're stats arent very good. Be sure your DIET (most important) is intact. Get those 250 grams of protien in a day! Also be sure to get 8 hours of rest a nite, and obviously you have to go to the gym.

My stats are the way they are because the bulk of my training has been focused around cutting. I was always the fat kid and am thus fat phobic. To give you a background on it, when I started all my dieting and training, I was about the same height I am now, 230+ and I'd say 25% bf if not more. The lowest I got was 175 @ ~15%ish and got up to 200 @ maybe 17, 18% if not a tad lower (just using that increase because I did gain SOME fat). You're right that my stats aren't as good as they could be, though. I've always had the fear of getting fatter, and for those that have been fat, you can probably understand. I literally cannot bring myself to seriously bulk for longer than a month. However, once I do get lean enough to where I feel like I want to bulk, I may choose to just lean bulk for a while naturally (well, maybe with some T3).

Couldn't really tell you what my lifts are now as I'm a bit weak and depleted (thank you Mr. Cytomel) but I train strictly for hypertrophy. They aren't shabby, but they aren't anything spectacular.

Thanks for the comments. I had a feeling that the Winstrol (winny) was unnecessary for a first cycle and knew that there are differing opinions on frontloading, so I just wanted to get all the extra input that I could.

 

[Kow]

Just wanted to bump and ask you guys if you prefer once a week Enth injections or twice (Monday, Thursday)? I've got access to either 500mg/ml 10ml or 250mg/ml 20ml at the same price. I'd think the 500mg/ml would be a little painful (despite what the maker says).

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Just wanted to bump and ask you guys if you prefer once a week Enth injections or twice (Monday, Thursday)? I've got access to either 500mg/ml 10ml or 250mg/ml 20ml at the same price. I'd think the 500mg/ml would be a little painful (despite what the maker says).

I would go with the 250 mg/ml, as for once or twice a week injections, it's really up to you, the ester is long enough for once a week, but some believe twice a week gives more stable blood levels.

 

[ready2explode]

Just wanted to bump and ask you guys if you prefer once a week Enth injections or twice (Monday, Thursday)? I've got access to either 500mg/ml 10ml or 250mg/ml 20ml at the same price. I'd think the 500mg/ml would be a little painful (despite what the maker says).

Twice a week injections seem to be better for me...could be a placebo effect giving a boost to my training though. I'd go with 500mg/ml because more concentrated gear yields higher blood levels of test. Try 1/2cc mon and thurs...if it hurts too much, dilute it with some sterile oil...its worth a try...

I wasnt making fun of you for your stats. I just wanted to warn you that gear isnt a body in a bottle. Wanted to remind you to concentrate on your diet/training/rest routine too...thats the most important. If you have weight problems, high or low, the best thing I've found is to keep a diary of all the food you've eating.

 

[Kow]

I wasnt making fun of you for your stats. I just wanted to warn you that gear isnt a body in a bottle. Wanted to remind you to concentrate on your diet/training/rest routine too...thats the most important. If you have weight problems, high or low, the best thing I've found is to keep a diary of all the food you've eating.

It's coo. I knew you had only good intentions. I do appreciate the advice. I know I'll have to put on some fat at some point, probably post-cycle especially; of course I wanna really bulk and really take advantage of my slow metabolism, hence my questions here. Thanks for the other tips, too. I have to deal with the "What can I take so I can lose weight while eating whatever I want?" questions all day at work so I understand exactly why such suggestions would be on your mind.