PROTEIN intake on test e??

Alright. I'm going to dinner in a bit, but I'll provide blood work and evidence tonight. And yes, I agree on OP.

I don't disagree that blood work will change and BUN/Creatinine will change. I meant that from what I've read by people I often use to reference my nutritional recommendations and reading into the studies I believe the change in the bloodwork is not indicative of something that's "unhealthy". A healthy, active individual will not be affected as much or in the same ways as non active, overweight, etc individuals.

What's on the menu for dinner? Mmmmm please tell me BBQ :p. enjoy dinner brother!
 
im also not a fan of ratios to understand what your protein needs are... they can be horribly biased
 
great input! I agree, your body utilizes protein in more ways than just muscle building, but too much is just a waste....


what about when it comes to on cylce, how big of a difference does it make then guys??
 
Also different opinions on what supplements you guys add while on cycle, just normal supps the same as off cycle? And liver care etc isnt needed since I am not doing any orals correct?
 
great input! I agree, your body utilizes protein in more ways than just muscle building, but too much is just a waste....


what about when it comes to on cycle, how big of a difference does it make then guys??

I already stated anabolics increase protein synthesis - you can probably get by with even less than 1g per lean mass.
 
That's what sucks. Most people follow that lead. There are VERY few people on earth that can actually utilize the astronomical amounts of protein that some folks intake.

Is it true that you can only absorb a certain amount of protein in any one sitting?
 
Lol I just try to eat as much damn food as I can I usually have like 200 to 250 grams of protein a day with around 100 to 150 grams of carbs a day. I am around 14 to 15 percent body fat at 215 to 217 depending on the day. I honestly try to eat a lot more on work out days though. I don't eat a lot of carbs. I never have.
 
Is it true that you can only absorb a certain amount of protein in any one sitting?

Looking at protein intake in that way is counterintuitive and can lead to false assumptions. At any given time, yes, the body can only digest and absorb protein up to a certain maximal rate. Many factors influence this such as your metabolism, your hormonal enironment, the type and amount of protein being taken in, the composition of the meal etc. what the research has shown is that it takes very little total protein in a given meal to spike muscle protein synthesis or MPS, 20-30g if protein is enough to spike MPS and more protein does not further increase the amplitude of the spike. Many people falsely assume and report back from this that the body can't absorb more than 20-30g of protein in one sitting which is false.

Worrying solely about spiking MPS is myopic bc it ignores the need for your total daily requirements which take overall precedence. You should not limit your meals to 30g of protein bc fhe body doesn't spike MPS any moreso than that. That would mean a 250lb athlete who's taking in ~250g of protein would need 8meals to eat all 250g of protein if he stuck to <30g protein/meal. Not only is this inconvenient for many since we don't all have the time to eat 8x/day but it can be detrimental actually bc increasing the frequency of MPS by too much for too long can lead to a smaller amplitude spike which offsets any gains made by creating more spikes.

The body can only digest nutrients so fast and part of the speed of digestion is based on the volume food eaten during the meal. The ileal tract is the small intenstine's and body's natural "braking system". The ileal tract regulates the rate of flow of food into the intenstines and it slows digestion for a large volume meal while it speeds it up for smaller meals. So what this means to us is that you mustn't worry about the amount of protein taken in per any given meal, you should worry about the total intake over any given day or week bc the body can only spike MPS to a certain extent but it will not waste protein by leaving it undigested and it will not stop digesting protein if you eat in excess of 30g protein/meal.

^^^that in no way is advising you to eat ridiculous amounts of protein. Your body actually only requires a minimum amount. Any more than that amount and personal food preferences and other factors should take priority for consideration. As an example, I am 205lbs at the moment. I'm aiming for 200-250g of protein a day. Will my results be different or any less if I reduced that to 180g of raised it to 275g? No, the differences once your needs are met are negligible. So in my case I realize I don't necessarily need this amount of protein but protein has the highest thermic effect of food (TEF) so it requires the most energy to break it down, protein has the highest satiety rating of any macro, protein tastes damn good (imagine a nice big steak, burgers, chicken, grilled salmon, etc), and since protein is almost never stored as fatty acids or converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis or de novo lipogenesis, eating rational amounts of protein in excess of your minimum daily requirements is not going to negatively impact anything in terms of results. You would alter your carb and fat intake if your protein intake was particularly high or you would intake no less than the minimum protein requirements you need tailored to your goals. In the end, I love protein since I'm a big meat eater, big chicken eater, enjoy seafood, etc so I take in more than my minimum requirements in protein bc its a personal preference and i still meet my requirements for dietary fat and fill in the rest with carbs.
 
I'd rather waste protein than limit my gains due to possible low intake.

Protein does NOT go wasted when eaten in excess. It can only spike MPS to a certain degree but that doesn't mean anymore would get wasted. Quite the contrary, the body regulates digestion rates to make sure most if not all the nutrients are extracted from food.
 
Protein is overrated - that's a good way to make expensive piss.

Personally I would recommend supplement 50g via protein shakes, and try and get the rest from your diet (1g per lean body mass seems about right). There's really no reason to get protein from other sources, but I always found it fun having a diverse diet in comparison to drinking lame ass chocolate shakes.

Pretty much all anabolics increase protein synthesis, an over abundance isn't really needed when on the Hercules juice.

You can take in as much protein as you want from shakes or as little as you want. Whey protein is just as complete a source of protein as any, has high bioavailability, a great amino acid profile, and is a pretty inexpensive source of protein. Do you need protein powder, no absolutely not. Is it convenient for many and one excellent choice as an option, yes absolutely.

As to the holder portion. You don't understand how the body metabolized macronutrients. The excess protein you take in whether it be from whole foods or from shakes does NOT get pissed away or excreted like that. The body does not piss out excess macros as it does with micros. I'd suggest some reading on nutrition for further detail but to simplify things: the more protein you eat, the more protein you store since serum levels of plasma protein are low, protein's primary fate is storage in skeletal muscle and goes to replenish protein broken down from muscle tissue. No matter how much protein you eat your body will digest and absorb damn near all of it but at that point the pathway used will be different when you're talking about mega-dosing protein. The body does not piss away protein or carbs either, protein isn't special in this regards n
 
Looking at protein intake in that way is counterintuitive and can lead to false assumptions. At any given time, yes, the body can only digest and absorb protein up to a certain maximal rate. Many factors influence this such as your metabolism, your hormonal enironment, the type and amount of protein being taken in, the composition of the meal etc. what the research has shown is that it takes very little total protein in a given meal to spike muscle protein synthesis or MPS, 20-30g if protein is enough to spike MPS and more protein does not further increase the amplitude of the spike. Many people falsely assume and report back from this that the body can't absorb more than 20-30g of protein in one sitting which is false.

Worrying solely about spiking MPS is myopic bc it ignores the need for your total daily requirements which take overall precedence. You should not limit your meals to 30g of protein bc fhe body doesn't spike MPS any moreso than that. That would mean a 250lb athlete who's taking in ~250g of protein would need 8meals to eat all 250g of protein if he stuck to <30g protein/meal. Not only is this inconvenient for many since we don't all have the time to eat 8x/day but it can be detrimental actually bc increasing the frequency of MPS by too much for too long can lead to a smaller amplitude spike which offsets any gains made by creating more spikes.

The body can only digest nutrients so fast and part of the speed of digestion is based on the volume food eaten during the meal. The ileal tract is the small intenstine's and body's natural "braking system". The ileal tract regulates the rate of flow of food into the intenstines and it slows digestion for a large volume meal while it speeds it up for smaller meals. So what this means to us is that you mustn't worry about the amount of protein taken in per any given meal, you should worry about the total intake over any given day or week bc the body can only spike MPS to a certain extent but it will not waste protein by leaving it undigested and it will not stop digesting protein if you eat in excess of 30g protein/meal.

^^^that in no way is advising you to eat ridiculous amounts of protein. Your body actually only requires a minimum amount. Any more than that amount and personal food preferences and other factors should take priority for consideration. As an example, I am 205lbs at the moment. I'm aiming for 200-250g of protein a day. Will my results be different or any less if I reduced that to 180g of raised it to 275g? No, the differences once your needs are met are negligible. So in my case I realize I don't necessarily need this amount of protein but protein has the highest thermic effect of food (TEF) so it requires the most energy to break it down, protein has the highest satiety rating of any macro, protein tastes damn good (imagine a nice big steak, burgers, chicken, grilled salmon, etc), and since protein is almost never stored as fatty acids or converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis or de novo lipogenesis, eating rational amounts of protein in excess of your minimum daily requirements is not going to negatively impact anything in terms of results. You would alter your carb and fat intake if your protein intake was particularly high or you would intake no less than the minimum protein requirements you need tailored to your goals. In the end, I love protein since I'm a big meat eater, big chicken eater, enjoy seafood, etc so I take in more than my minimum requirements in protein bc its a personal preference and i still meet my requirements for dietary fat and fill in the rest with carbs.

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when it comes to total calorie increase, what is a realistic increase from your TDEE, and not just eating 4000cals....so if your TDEE is around 2400, while on cycle, what should you increase cals too?
 
^^^that in no way is advising you to eat ridiculous amounts of protein. Your body actually only requires a minimum amount. Any more than that amount and personal food preferences and other factors should take priority for consideration. As an example, I am 205lbs at the moment. I'm aiming for 200-250g of protein a day. Will my results be different or any less if I reduced that to 180g of raised it to 275g? No, the differences once your needs are met are negligible. So in my case I realize I don't necessarily need this amount of protein but protein has the highest thermic effect of food (TEF) so it requires the most energy to break it down, protein has the highest satiety rating of any macro, protein tastes damn good (imagine a nice big steak, burgers, chicken, grilled salmon, etc), and since protein is almost never stored as fatty acids or converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis or de novo lipogenesis, eating rational amounts of protein in excess of your minimum daily requirements is not going to negatively impact anything in terms of results. You would alter your carb and fat intake if your protein intake was particularly high or you would intake no less than the minimum protein requirements you need tailored to your goals. In the end, I love protein since I'm a big meat eater, big chicken eater, enjoy seafood, etc so I take in more than my minimum requirements in protein bc its a personal preference and i still meet my requirements for dietary fat and fill in the rest with carbs.[/QUOTE]

this was put perfectly....Thats why I asked, i highly considered upping protein intake to 'fill' my calorie requirement so i dont have to go crazy with carbs and worrying about too much being stored after glycogen was full and not going crazy with high amounts of fat....and TEF is something people never even consider or probably have read into
 
yea your body doesn't "piss away" protein.. on the contrary if you have high protein in your urine in means you got some problems lol
 
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