Question for those who suggest Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle
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TxLonghorn said:
thats a good point bro. last cycle i did hcg at the end and used anti e´s throughout. my nuts were gone in 4 or 5 weeks and so was my libido, and that was with test. also, i was always tired and burned the fuck out. post cycle therapy (pct) went just as it did without using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG).
this time around i am doing decca only, known to kill sex drive. only thing is im using hcg throughout. i started out at 500iu E4D, then E5D, now im at E6D and so far no testicular atrophy, no loss of libido. im at week 12 with 6 weeks left to go so i cant say that it helped with post cycle therapy (pct) yet but i can say that nut size and testicular fucnction, to my ignorant mind, do seem to go hand in hand in some ways. last cycle my lady was one pissed off bitch when i lost my libido. this time i am having no problems even with a compound as feared as decca is.
big john: you say anti es help without the negatives of hcg, and though i have no studies to back my personal experience i call bullshit after having done it bothways. i guess i still have to do post cycle therapy (pct) before i can come to any conclusions but so far i will take hcg during cycle over anti es. and like johnny b said, we all have to find what works for us in the end.
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dude, arent you using a testosterone? Deca is similar to test,but isnt test. Ppl usually run deca as a stack, not alone. Im surprised as hell u kept your libido with only ur natural test flowing, cuz deca does shut u down..
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HCG during cycle helps speed along PCT...... And of course keeps your nuts hanging low lol
studies show that lh sky rockets after discontinuing aas but the testicular atrophy is slow to correct and natural test are slow to return . there for if the testicles are still working when lh peaks then there is no delay in test and you retain most if not all of your gains.
How much water?
My question is how many ml's of Bac water I need to mix with Pregnyl 5000IU in order to get the 250iu required for the use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle?
My cycle consists of= 600mg of test enanthate / 600 of EQ weekly for 10 weeks, Im on week 3 now.
My question is how many ml's of Bac water I need to mix with Pregnyl 5000IU in order to get the 250iu required for the use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle?
My cycle consists of= 600mg of test enanthate / 600 of EQ weekly for 10 weeks, Im on week 3 now.
yadi79
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Thats where your wrong natural testosterone is needed during a cycle. The same way test shots are needed during a d-bol cycle. yea you can still get some results with out your natural test but it gets difficult because your body knows when to release the natural test better than you can administer it. its essential to keep natural test levels up during a cycle. it takes many different hormones and supplements to continue growth if you want to become a freak. unless you are just satisfied with what you have. that ain't what bodybuilding is about. every time you use one supplements you have to use another to counteract any counterproductive sideffects. take for instance someone might need insulin after taking steroids for years depending on their genetic disposition or depending just on how big they want to get. if you want to be as big a jay cutler , you will have to use IGf 1 and HGH and that's just the tip of the iceberg. I'm not saying that steroids will give you diabetes but if it runs in your family, it can speed up the process. the pro's don't really cycle off and if you believe that they do , Then that's probably why your still the same size that you are. you need every advantage so yes natural test is a must. it helps you sleep better and gives you a better appetite when maintained during a cycle.
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This was written by Swifto.
So how important is HCG?
When our HPTA's are "shutdown" we have to distinguish between short-term inhibtion and long-term dysfunction.
Short-term inhibition of testosterone production comes primarily from negative feedback at the pituitary and hypothalamus, which reduces LH output. This could be described as a reduction in the signal to produce testosterone. This LH suppression recovers quickly.
However, with time, it leads to testicular dysfunction. Without LH from the pituitary, the testes atrophy from disuse. This testicular dysfunction could be described as a reduction in the responsiveness to a signal to produce testosterone.
The hypothalamus and pituitary seem to recover fairly quickly following the use of androgens. GnRH, LH and FSH rise fairly quickly post cycle, but endogenous testosterone levels dont. As confirmed in this review by William Llewellyn. It shows that LH levels rise fairly quickly (on the 3rd week) after Testosterone Enanthate injections of 250mg weekly for 21 weeks. So it seems the hypothalamus and pituitary are not the problem in restarting endogenous testosterone production post cycle.
After recent correspondance with Dr.Crisler (Swale) he confirmed ganadotrophin levels were not to blame in restarting the HPTA. So what is?
If LH levels rise post cycle (the majority of the time) the reason why endogenous testosterone levels DONT rise, is the testes. Or testicular dysfunction. Testicular dysfunction is when the testes become atrophied from disuse or desensitised to ganadotrophins, such as LH. This could also be described as being the onset of primary hypogonadism.
Primary hypogonadism is when the testes no longer respond to LH. The testes have a lowered sperm concentration/production and endogenous testosterone level, although LH and FSH are above normal levels. This can be due to desease (Klinefelter's syndrome), over use of anabolic steroids, as described in this study or overuse of HCG. The simple answer to primary hypogonadism is HRT.
So if the testes (testicular dysfunction) are the main culprit in restoring testosterone production post cycle how can we maintain testicular function and endogenous testosterone production even when "shutdown" using andorgens? Simple - HCG.
HCG has the ability to maintain endogenous testosterone production and ITT (Intra-Testicular Testosterone) by stimulating the testes (directly) even when shutdown from androgens, such as Testosterone Enathate, shown in this study.
HCG is VERY important in cycles IMHO. It prevents the main reason the HPTA doesnt recover immediately post cycle - testicular dysfunction. It should be a staple of EVERY cycle causing shutdown IMHO.
I suggest Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) be used at 125-250ius 2-3 times weekly (as per Dr.Crisler's advice) with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout the cycle lasting 6-12 weeks. This will maintain testicular size and function and prevent testicular dysfunction. It should also be noted that administering over "500ius will cause an increase in estrogen and progesterone, further hindering recovery" - Dr.Crisler.
For those wanting to convert their Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) doses into something more managable. Here's how:
HCG comes in 1500ius and 5000ius amps. Usually from Pregnyl. Chinese suppliers also stock their Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in these two denominations too.
You need to get some sterile empty 10ML glass serum vials. You can get these from AR-R.
You also need to get some bac. water. If you were to mix 5000ius with 10ML bac. water, 1ML = 500ius. If you were to mix 1500ius with 10ML bac. water, 1ML = 150ius.
Once mixed, refridgerate. I tend to use my mixed Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) within 30-45 days.
Its really that simple.
This thread has been written on correspondance from Dr.Crisler (Swale), Concilliator and my own research gathered.
So how important is HCG?
When our HPTA's are "shutdown" we have to distinguish between short-term inhibtion and long-term dysfunction.
Short-term inhibition of testosterone production comes primarily from negative feedback at the pituitary and hypothalamus, which reduces LH output. This could be described as a reduction in the signal to produce testosterone. This LH suppression recovers quickly.
However, with time, it leads to testicular dysfunction. Without LH from the pituitary, the testes atrophy from disuse. This testicular dysfunction could be described as a reduction in the responsiveness to a signal to produce testosterone.
The hypothalamus and pituitary seem to recover fairly quickly following the use of androgens. GnRH, LH and FSH rise fairly quickly post cycle, but endogenous testosterone levels dont. As confirmed in this review by William Llewellyn. It shows that LH levels rise fairly quickly (on the 3rd week) after Testosterone Enanthate injections of 250mg weekly for 21 weeks. So it seems the hypothalamus and pituitary are not the problem in restarting endogenous testosterone production post cycle.
After recent correspondance with Dr.Crisler (Swale) he confirmed ganadotrophin levels were not to blame in restarting the HPTA. So what is?
If LH levels rise post cycle (the majority of the time) the reason why endogenous testosterone levels DONT rise, is the testes. Or testicular dysfunction. Testicular dysfunction is when the testes become atrophied from disuse or desensitised to ganadotrophins, such as LH. This could also be described as being the onset of primary hypogonadism.
Primary hypogonadism is when the testes no longer respond to LH. The testes have a lowered sperm concentration/production and endogenous testosterone level, although LH and FSH are above normal levels. This can be due to desease (Klinefelter's syndrome), over use of anabolic steroids, as described in this study or overuse of HCG. The simple answer to primary hypogonadism is HRT.
So if the testes (testicular dysfunction) are the main culprit in restoring testosterone production post cycle how can we maintain testicular function and endogenous testosterone production even when "shutdown" using andorgens? Simple - HCG.
HCG has the ability to maintain endogenous testosterone production and ITT (Intra-Testicular Testosterone) by stimulating the testes (directly) even when shutdown from androgens, such as Testosterone Enathate, shown in this study.
HCG is VERY important in cycles IMHO. It prevents the main reason the HPTA doesnt recover immediately post cycle - testicular dysfunction. It should be a staple of EVERY cycle causing shutdown IMHO.
I suggest Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) be used at 125-250ius 2-3 times weekly (as per Dr.Crisler's advice) with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout the cycle lasting 6-12 weeks. This will maintain testicular size and function and prevent testicular dysfunction. It should also be noted that administering over "500ius will cause an increase in estrogen and progesterone, further hindering recovery" - Dr.Crisler.
For those wanting to convert their Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) doses into something more managable. Here's how:
HCG comes in 1500ius and 5000ius amps. Usually from Pregnyl. Chinese suppliers also stock their Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in these two denominations too.
You need to get some sterile empty 10ML glass serum vials. You can get these from AR-R.
You also need to get some bac. water. If you were to mix 5000ius with 10ML bac. water, 1ML = 500ius. If you were to mix 1500ius with 10ML bac. water, 1ML = 150ius.
Once mixed, refridgerate. I tend to use my mixed Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) within 30-45 days.
Its really that simple.
This thread has been written on correspondance from Dr.Crisler (Swale), Concilliator and my own research gathered.
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Here is a good Article from Eric. HCG – Unraveled | Primordial Performance Blog
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I run 500iu per week through out and 1000iu per day for 10 days after last pin....I have run cycles with out hcg before and run with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). I personally prefer running through out to keep my boys looking normal I find I dont get erectile dis-function when im on cycle running hcg where as with out hcg on cycle Its a bit hit and miss and besides my missus loves it when I run hcg cause she still gets desert every night if u know what I mean ;-) no shooting blanks
I thought i knew what i was going to do with HCG but then got seriously confused on the subject. But im glad i read the post from *JohnnyB* and *stonecold54* as its put my mind at some ease. This is my second cycle my 1st cycle i used 300mg of test and 200mg of deca sadly didnt have enough money for any PCT, but this time i want to do it correctly and i was wondering if you knowledgeable guy could help me out.
This 2nd cycle i would like to run: 500mg of test 1-12 weeks
500mg of deca 1-12 weeks
40mg of dianabol 1-3 weeks
80mg anavar 4-9 weeks
firstly is it wise to run 500iu per week of HCG throughout the cycle and continue post cycle for month?
secondly should i take nolvadex or arimidex through cycle and post for gyno and estrogen?
and lastly would clomid be necessary. I know no one is a "Guru" but any help or advice would be really great and i highly appreciated.
Thanks.
This 2nd cycle i would like to run: 500mg of test 1-12 weeks
500mg of deca 1-12 weeks
40mg of dianabol 1-3 weeks
80mg anavar 4-9 weeks
firstly is it wise to run 500iu per week of HCG throughout the cycle and continue post cycle for month?
secondly should i take nolvadex or arimidex through cycle and post for gyno and estrogen?
and lastly would clomid be necessary. I know no one is a "Guru" but any help or advice would be really great and i highly appreciated.
Thanks.
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Nolva is not a safe option to run throughout the cycle because it is known to cause blood clots when used for long periods of time. IMO HCG can be used for very long periods of time (>1yr) at moderate dosages without desensitization. I'm trying to dig up a good read I came across about it.
juiceyou321
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You should start your own thread, threadjacking is frowned upon to say the least. Thats way to many compounds for your 2nd cycle and you obviously need to read some stickies. So many red flags from that post. Never run nolva the entire cycle. You should always at least have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (arimidex/aromasin) on hand and I recommend running it through every cycle. 500iu HCG per week will just tickle your nuts, double it. What do you mean is clomid necessary? You have to run some SERM for PCT like nolva or clomid. Deca is a 19nor and you start running into prolactin issues; thats a whole other can of worms. Read man.
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